so what was the Open Beta exactly for?

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arbait_333 wrote:

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Tanakeah wrote:

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arbait_333 wrote:

oh I did not know they went the Blizz way.... if that is so I will stop using anything that they make... we all know what happened to D3, and D3 release was the BETA... and a really bad one at that.. here we seem to have the same problem

What problem would that be exactly? And 'Blizz way'? What exactly do you mean by that...not being snarky, asking a serious question here. Are you talking about how Diablo III deviated so much from the foundations of Diablo II overtime and that what was presented wasn't a good game because the core mechanics and what not were flawed after those changes were made? Changes that were made long before they were introduced into the public Beta? Again, trying to understand where you're coming from with this and how you're saying 'Blizz way' to correlate the comparison I made to what sidtherat said.

you must be kidding right?

The amount of exploits/bug and balancing that was done to D3 was disgusting.... D3 release was not a release.. was an open beta... and they made money solely on the hype they had from d2 and 13 year anticipation

PoE done exact opposite where they were using the excuse of BETA to advertise their product and not really test it or polish it... then added expansion to it and called in release... nothing is fixed, not will be balanced with the new class incoming... no wipes is done and they are making the most OP items a legacy items, which will skyrocket the RMT prices on them, and that leads me to believe that RMTs are connected with GGG

I know that Diablo III did that, I was never questioning that they didn't, and I didn't care for the game being released as it was and I haven't played it for over half a year. It was a failure in my eyes, and while there are things that are getting improved upon, it will still take A LOT more from BLizzard to win back my trust and money for the RoS expansion. I know that Diablo III rode the coat tails of Diablo II and the devs made A LOT of poor decisions, so I am agreeing with you there.

And not test or polish it? There were UI changes made, sound issues fixed, bugs with skills fixed, and other things done during the open beta, and you can check the patch notes to see all those things that were done. To say that GGG hasn't balanced or fixed anything (like or hate the life change that was done, that was also a big change to the game) is really not true at all. And as far as the release goes...again, there's only so much time and testing that can be done and in that regard, look at Diablo III. Why didn't they release the whole game for people to beta test out? Why only release a small chunk of the first Act and not 'stress test' the rest of the game like GGG has done with their closed/open beta? Plenty of problems with the later acts that cropped up and needed polishing and fixing, but that didn't stop them, did it? GGG doesn't have all the luxuries that Diablo III had in this regard and they need a hook/sell to get people to want to play the game for the first time, or come back to it, and releasing this new (not mass-tested) content will do that. Really, they only have so much manpower to work with and can only do so much, though it's not like this hasn't been done in the same way for other F2P games in the years gone by, so it's honestly nothing new.

As far as your last sentence about GGG being connected with RMT...that's a bit silly, don't you think? Blizzard North did the same thing with Diablo II with items dating back to their 1.0.8 patch, items that had specific stats during that patch - before it as well - and then the 1.0.9 patch changed those items in the same manner as what happened here. That might've also occurred with other items during the 1.10 patch but I am not too sure there, but it was done. So because Blizzard did the same thing by not retroactively changing 'legacy items', are we to assume that they were also in cahoots with RMT sites back in the day as well?

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Josephoenix wrote:

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exorzist wrote:

open beta was just there to "grab" more money for same stuff as in closed beta and a lot of people fell into this money-grabbing trick by GGG ...

and the OP is right. they called it open beta but what system, mechanic which was broken during closed beta and open beta did they fix? nothing ... they created more and are going to produce even more fucked up mechanics in 1.0 ...

so yeah, instead of fixing known issues to guarantee a stable version they go ahead and introduce new shit which wasnt tested at all by a larger audience .. lol

instead of release GGG should just call it open beta 2.0 or something and please
dont forget to introduce new supporter packs with identical content so the idiots can buy the same stuff over and over again ....

ROFL!

Like you did? Mr. Gold Supporter.

like i did? did what? bought the same content twice? no .. i didnt. i supported this game more than a year ago when there was only closed beta supporter packs which were promised to be unique back then. but then GGG came and charged for the exact same shit once again and broke their promise ...

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exorzist wrote:

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Josephoenix wrote:

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exorzist wrote:

open beta was just there to "grab" more money for same stuff as in closed beta and a lot of people fell into this money-grabbing trick by GGG ...

and the OP is right. they called it open beta but what system, mechanic which was broken during closed beta and open beta did they fix? nothing ... they created more and are going to produce even more fucked up mechanics in 1.0 ...

so yeah, instead of fixing known issues to guarantee a stable version they go ahead and introduce new shit which wasnt tested at all by a larger audience .. lol

instead of release GGG should just call it open beta 2.0 or something and please
dont forget to introduce new supporter packs with identical content so the idiots can buy the same stuff over and over again ....

ROFL!

Like you did? Mr. Gold Supporter.

like i did? did what? bought the same content twice? no .. i didnt. i supported this game more than a year ago when there was only closed beta supporter packs which were promised to be unique back then. but then GGG came and charged for the exact same shit once again and broke their promise ...

Could not said it better myself my man... I support this opinion in 100%

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sidtherat wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Who said the new patch hasnt been tested?

what you - alpha testers - can do is to check if the build does not crash instantly (and you are not able to spot all these cases - see patch notes for post-patch crash fixes - most recently, tempest shield. but probably no alpha tester uses this skill at all)

what you cannot test is fuckton of new builds and passive tree/skill/item interactions - you can select few builds that you know and see if they feel right. just that.

there are 100+ skills in this game now. with trigger gems this easily just got doubled.

and you werent able to spot that Reave cancels-out when player open a chest or that reave misses 50% of the targets just because. sorry - but this alpha-testing is hardly catching elephant-sized bugs if at all.

add to that new passive tree (cutting middle links + adding NEW CLASS!) that is STILL being changed. with game as complex as this one few tweaks to the passive tree can change entire gameplay. cutting middle removes GR+VP. or makes getting necro aegis a costly endeavor. they are still changing that tree. and you think that you can test that? talk about self-confidence

you know so little. I forgive you though.

Purpose of open beta is to gather data and feedback that would be impossible to generate within small team or on smaller playerbase with limited access.

Game optimization from technical point of view is the target of work during Open Beta. After the code is optimized, it will be much easier to generate more content and to give more work to the balancing team.


BETA = there will be bugs
RELEASE = there will be bugs, but they won't be forgiven

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sidtherat wrote:

this will be 1.0 version - a completely new game.

Given that 1.0 will use just about everything from 0.1.0 through to now, I've no idea where you get that notion.

Please don't look at this as the beginning of a dialogue. Your post history clarifies that you don't know the meaning of the word.

Just pointing out the most blatantly false thing in your post.

So you hate the game, and you hate the game company. yet you still hang around the forums?


typically when I don't like playing something that is optional, I don't play and I don't bother posting.


GGG is as good a gaming company as I have ever seen. They communicate with the players. They continually develop their game at an unbelievable pace. They don't hurry to release, as the extended beta period shows. When they do make changes they explain their line of thinking so that even if I don't agree, I have some understanding. In short, and this is very rare for me to say about a gaming company, I trust them.

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exorzist wrote:

like i did? did what? bought the same content twice? no .. i didnt. i supported this game more than a year ago when there was only closed beta supporter packs which were promised to be unique back then. but then GGG came and charged for the exact same shit once again and broke their promise ...

Now you are just lying, boy.

They never stated that game packs would be exclusive to closed beta. Hell there will be packs as well when the game has launched (featuring other items ofc). The closed beta and open beta packs are unique in the sense that the items offered will not be obtainable anymore.

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Reinhart wrote:

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exorzist wrote:

like i did? did what? bought the same content twice? no .. i didnt. i supported this game more than a year ago when there was only closed beta supporter packs which were promised to be unique back then. but then GGG came and charged for the exact same shit once again and broke their promise ...

Now you are just lying, boy.

They never stated that game packs would be exclusive to closed beta. Hell there will be packs as well when the game has launched (featuring other items ofc).

You are gnawing on the forum's most chewed bone, Reinhart, covered in exorzist's rabid, irrational bite marks and saliva.

All I can say is: ew. dude. ew.

Oh, and there likely won't be packs to accompany Release. GGG just hasn't had time to formulate much in that regard.

Which is good as far as I'm concerned. I don't think I could afford another hit to the wallet so soon after the OB barrage.

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Reinhart wrote:

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exorzist wrote:

like i did? did what? bought the same content twice? no .. i didnt. i supported this game more than a year ago when there was only closed beta supporter packs which were promised to be unique back then. but then GGG came and charged for the exact same shit once again and broke their promise ...

Now you are just lying, boy.

They never stated that game packs would be exclusive to closed beta. Hell there will be packs as well when the game has launched (featuring other items ofc).

they stated the content of the closed beta packs were unique and not purchasable again! there was even a big splash screen close to closed beta end saying something like "last chance to get these features" blahblah

but the open beta packs are 80% same content .. so where was the last chance?
the OB packs and the CB packs are almost absolutley identical ...