Update 2: Grammar Error on Close Helmet vs. Close-Helmet (image and answer)

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Qarak wrote:

How fucking old are you, and where do you find the time to post all this shit?
No offence just, you're very weird and boring

You said you were through with this thread.

You overpraise me. Being boring is a compliment. I would much rather be an Intellectual Olympian and boring, than an idiot and entertaining.

Boredom (also known as ennui,) is the result of someone who has either seen the world too much for it is (I can relate to that,) or develops a severe lack of interest in things because their exhausted mind cannot keep up with the daily modes of life or what someone brings to the drawing board.

Just because someone challenges someone else's intelligence, does not make them weird. The first half of my daily job is entirely offline, and the other half is online (as we speak) with numerous tabs open. This is not the only site I use to engage in discussions, whether I am doing it in my free time, or doing it for my job.

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

My OP includes, but is no longer limited to, the naming of ancient equipment. It now talks about how others names made up of words --- not definite names such as Bryan, Jessica, Bob, etc. --- can have the error 'Close Helmet' does without the hyphenation when it should have one.

Oh, okay. So, you are making a massive assumption that the close in close helmet is used as the common English word? Unless you have a proof that this is the case (and no, this is not the only helmet that can be open or closed), then you have no right to correct a technical term.

For example, the Poynting Vector in physics. It points where the electromagnetic wave is propagating to. The name doesn't mean that it is a vector that points (although the vector EXACTLY does that). Luckily, we know that it is named after John Henry Poynting. If I were to take away the knowledge that the above vector is named after its discoverer (just as how we have no idea why Close Helmet is named as it is), then I will also protest that it should be named as a Pointing Vector. It is a vector that points. How stupid can people get? But no, it only speaks of your arrogance.

Have you even considered that there might be some cultural/colloquial/military context that we don't know about its origin?

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

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Qarak wrote:

How fucking old are you, and where do you find the time to post all this shit?
No offence just, you're very weird and boring

useless and boring things

Can't you read? I asked you a question.
Also, I said I was done with this thread, but the words meant another thing :=)

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ArtificialDream wrote:

Oh, okay. So, you are making a massive assumption that the close in close helmet is used as the common English word?

I never said the man who coined the helmet's name did so with the intent to use the word close in 'Close Helmet' to purposely imply a meaning which mirrors, for example, "This helmet is close to me." Or, "Close the helmet!"

All I said is that if people in this thread gave it some thought, they would see where I have been coming in that the word close in 'Close Helmet' sounds like it implies something else via nearness or a command.

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ArtificialDream wrote:

Unless you have a proof that this is the case (and no, this is not the only helmet that can be open or closed), then you have no right to correct a technical term.

We are not talking about other helmets here. There is only one 'Close Helmet' with the word close in its name. Other helmets that have the capability to open and close too is besides the point for reason being they have their own names without the word close in their names.

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ArtificialDream wrote:

For example, the Poynting Vector in physics. It points where the electromagnetic wave is propagating to. The name doesn't mean that it is a vector that points (although the vector EXACTLY does that). Luckily, we know that it is named after John Henry Poynting. If I were to take away the knowledge that the above vector is named after its discoverer (just as how we have no idea why Close Helmet is named as it is), then I will also protest that it should be named as a Pointing Vector. It is a vector that points. How stupid can people get? But no, it only speaks of your arrogance.

First, Poynting Vector (or Pointing Vector,) is not a viable thing to use for an argument against mine. We are talking about compound words and hyphenated compound words here. It would make no sense to make Pointing Vector a compound word, or a hyphenated compound word.

You seem to be under the impression my OP is saying all names need hyphenation. I am not saying that at all.

You miss(ed) the whole point of my OP. My OP is not talking about spelling, exception to the rule I did bring up in one instance 'Closed Helmet' (with a d added) would also make more sense for reason being it's what the helmet appears to be via closed. Instead, I am talking about a grammar error. There is a difference.

I somewhat withdrew my idea of suggesting 'Closed Helmet' because I wanted to keep the helmet's name original as possible. In doing this, I then suggested 'Close-Helmet' (hyphenated) vs. 'Close Helmet' (no hyphenation.)

I would also like add that John Henry Poynting's last name, otherwise meaning pointing in the Poynting Vector, is a mere coincidence in that Poynting could translate to pointing, which is what the Poynting Vector does.

EDIT - explained better:
However, just because that's the case, does not mean changing it to pointing is justifiable since it's named after someone. The word close is not a definite name or named after someone. The word close is only a word, but can be used to form a name. Definite names by themselves such as Bob, Sue or Frank, are not words because they cannot form sentences on their own like words can.

You throw the term arrogance at me, yet your misunderstanding is beyond repair.

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ArtificialDream wrote:

Have you even considered that there might be some cultural/colloquial/military context that we don't know about its origin?

Even if the name 'Close Helmet' originated from another country, when translated into English, and given English has different rules, things can change for words and names like 'Close Helmet' in that we who speak English can make it make more sense in our country to improve it. The idea of there being some kind of hidden military context behind 'Close Helmet' is also nonsense when you take a good hard look at both words.

Your argument regarding possible hidden context seems to be something like, "Maybe some medieval guy on his horse that had this helmet on got shot with an arrow, the helmet fell off his head, and it just so happened to land on the ground close to his dead father in battle. Therefore, that is maybe the reason why 'Close Helmet' (without hyphenation) was the chosen name for this helmet. That's the hidden context."

Do you know how unlikely that sounds? It is very unlikely. There is no other hidden meaning. The bottom line is 'Close Helmet' implies something else (naturally) the way it currently is because there is no hyphenation. Adding the Hyphen would fix how it reads to imply only the capability of opening and closing, and nothing more.

With that being said, I can clearly tell you there is no deeper meaning to 'Close Helmet' (as it is) other than vaguely telling the reader it has the capability of opening and closing.

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Qarak wrote:

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

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Qarak wrote:

How fucking old are you, and where do you find the time to post all this shit?
No offence just, you're very weird and boring

useless and boring things

Can't you read? I asked you a question.
Also, I said I was done with this thread, but the words meant another thing :=)

If I were to tell you I was 45 or 50 (not true,) what does that change? Nothing. There are even some individuals who are 12 years and under who are prodigies, easily outfoxing those who are much older than them.

Where do I get the time to post and discuss things? I already answered you when saying:

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

The first half of my daily job is entirely offline, and the other half is online (as we speak) with numerous tabs open. This is not the only site I use to engage in discussions, whether I am doing it in my free time, or doing it for my job.

If you read the underlined parts closely, you would see the time I find for posting and discussing things online comes after the first half of my day is over. When I am at my computer, I alternate between free time and my job at the same time.

Therefore, when I have free time, the time I find to post and discuss things is in my free time, or, sometimes I do so between interval when doing my job online.

It is you who does not read correctly.

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

If I were to tell you I was 45 or 50 (not true,) what does that change? Nothing. There are even some individuals who are 12 years and under who are prodigies, easily outfoxing those who are much older than them.

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The word close is not a name or named after someone. The word close is a word. Names are not words because they cannot form sentences on their own like words can.

This is really pathetic, how can you not feel bad for saying such utter shit

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

If I were to tell you I was 45 or 50 (not true,) what does that change? Nothing. There are even some individuals who are 12 years and under who are prodigies, easily outfoxing those who are much older than them.

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Qarak wrote:

Confirmed for kid who just wants to enlarge his electronic penis
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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

These kind of statements toward others are what classify someone as being childish. You're sitting here calling me a kid, yet you just told on yourself that you are the kid.

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

The word close is not a name or named after someone. The word close is a word. Names are not words because they cannot form sentences on their own like words can.

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Qarak wrote:

This is really pathetic, how can you not feel bad for saying such utter shit

There is a difference between regular names (made up of actual words that can also be used to form sentences,) and definite names (made up of what cannot be used to form sentences.) Sure, definite names can derive from certain words to form a name, but that doesn't mean they can be used to form sentences. Regular names, notably for objects, have words in them that can be used to form names and sentences. There is the difference.

Regular name: Leather-Studded Armor (made up of actual words to name an object) vs. Definite name: Bob Reel, or James Marshall (not made up of actual words to name an object. They are just names to identify a person, not an object or to form sentences.)

While definite names, to example again, Bob, can be used with actual words like steel, as in Bob Steel, it doesn't mean it would make sense if you were to combine them together to make a compound word or a hyphenated compound word.

Pardon my lack of explanation. I guessed wrong that maybe you've been following all my other posts. You have not.

To further elaborate, as stated in a previous post, I said, "Definite names like Bob, Bryan, Frank, etc. may have meaning or a story behind them, but they are not considered actual words because they cannot form sentences on their own. They are names. There is the difference. However, when a name is made up of multiple words (not definite names) linked with an object to form a name, then is when hyphenation may be needed, or, the two words need to be brought together as in Football."

Hopefully you understand now.

you sir should change your name to HeavyBrickWall

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

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ArtificialDream wrote:

Oh, okay. So, you are making a massive assumption that the close in close helmet is used as the common English word?

I never said the man who coined the helmet's name did so with the intent to use the word close in 'Close Helmet' to purposely imply a meaning which mirrors, for example, "This helmet is close to me." Or, "Close the helmet!"

All I said is that if people in this thread gave it some thought, they would see where I have been coming in that the word close in 'Close Helmet' sounds like it implies something else via nearness or a command.

Ok.

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

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ArtificialDream wrote:

Unless you have a proof that this is the case (and no, this is not the only helmet that can be open or closed), then you have no right to correct a technical term.

We are not talking about other helmets here. There is only one 'Close Helmet' with the word close in its name. Other helmets that have the capability to open and close too is besides the point for reason being they have their own names without the word close in their names.

I'm using other helmets to point out that you are not 100% sure that this helmet is termed as it is due to it being able to be closed.

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

First, Poynting Vector (or Pointing Vector,) is not a viable thing to use for an argument against mine. We are talking about compound words and hyphenated compound words here. It would make no sense to make Pointing Vector a compound word, or a hyphenated compound word.

You seem to be under the impression my OP is saying all names need hyphenation. I am not saying that at all.

You miss(ed) the whole point of my OP. My OP is not talking about spelling, exception to the rule I did bring up in one instance 'Closed Helmet' (with a d added) would also make more sense for reason being it's what the helmet appears to be via closed. Instead, I am talking about a grammar error. There is a difference.

I somewhat withdrew my idea of suggesting 'Closed Helmet' because I wanted to keep the helmet's name original as possible. In doing this, I then suggested 'Close-Helmet' (hyphenated) vs. 'Close Helmet' (no hyphenation.)

That still relies that Close means it's common meaning.

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

I would also like add that John Henry Poynting's last name, otherwise meaning pointing in the Poynting Vector, is a mere coincidence in that Poynting could translate to pointing, which is what the Poynting Vector does.

EDIT - explained better:
However, just because that's the case, does not mean changing it to pointing is justifiable since it's named after someone. The word close is not a definite name or named after someone. The word close is only a word, but can be used to form a name. Definite names by themselves such as Bob, Sue or Frank, are not words because they cannot form sentences on their own like words can.

You throw the term arrogance at me, yet your misunderstanding is beyond repair.

So you totally reject that this close is not a definite term. For one it could be a surname.

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HeavyMetalGear wrote:

Do you know how unlikely that sounds? It is very unlikely. There is no other hidden meaning. The bottom line is 'Close Helmet' implies something else (naturally)..

Just as unlikely how the discoverer of a vector that points had the surname Poynting, and as unnatural as skydivers use the word Geronimo to show enthusiasm during jumps.

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Antistes wrote:

you sir should change your name to HeavyBrickWall

Now it's come down to one-liner name callings? When people have to stoop that low, it's usually because they lost their end of the argument when there is nothing better to say.

Give me some feedback I can really take in, then, I may consider what you say to be credible or worthwhile.