Exactly why Facebreaker needs tweaking - An analysis.

No offense, but if you're playing PoE without at least 2 auras, you're doing it wrong.

BM passive takes at least 3 points, with the same amount of points you could invest in 10% less mana reserved by auras and run 3 40%'s and a 30% off mana. That would likely double your armour or give you resists and max resists (assuming you're running Grace at the moment, and if you aren't, you should be ashamed) and increase your DPS by running Hatred and Haste.

BM gem is very strong since you should be leeching back anyways since you are playing with BM keytstone.

Also, how are you getting 78% max resist without Purity aura? Are you sure you don't mean 77%.

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

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lolozori wrote:

strange, i run no aura at all, use the BM nod and i never die, at least until now even playing 76+ maps. My armor is 11k (22k after molten+granit, with a bonus of 880 eva), 78% elem resist and 4.5k life. I also do +25k dps (44k max without leech and spash).

Why would you use so much auras? Is it for mf you are both using that? I am curious because it never seem to me a necessary path with a facebreaker to use auras. At least with my build .

I use Grace and Determination to get more armor, Vitality for HP regen, Haste/Hatred to increase my DPS.

I have to admit, your life regen is impressive aswell your damage reduction.

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Acrosis wrote:

No offense, but if you're playing PoE without at least 2 auras, you're doing it wrong.

BM passive takes at least 3 points, with the same amount of points you could invest in 10% less mana reserved by auras and run 3 40%'s and a 30% off mana. That would likely double your armour or give you resists and max resists (assuming you're running Grace at the moment, and if you aren't, you should be ashamed) and increase your DPS by running Hatred and Haste.

BM gem is very strong since you should be leeching back anyways since you are playing with BM keytstone.

Also, how are you getting 78% max resist without Purity aura? Are you sure you don't mean 77%.

-you are right bad math addition, got 77%

-I dont need to incrase my dps with any auras :





here my gear:


-i don t run grace, doesn t seem to me i need it, since well i do not die for now and i pretty much facerool shit under 73 maps. 73+maps are more challenging tho.


Really this doesn t proove me that i need any aura.

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Acrosis wrote:

Actually, on that note, I do wish to discuss how auras are basically a must for every single Path of Exile character. In a game that promotes build diversity, having every melee run the same auras, every caster, every ranged, it is ridiculous. Auras need either larger costs or disadvantages tied along with it.
Like Haste should increase stun duration, if you are moving very fast, a sudden impact is definitely going to throw you off etc. And having a downside that can be countered with passive point investment, I am fine with that. Auras are as much a part of character customisation and planned in creation as the passive tree itself.

And that's exactly the thing I keep saying, auras are among the top 3 thing that ruin the balance right now. Why? Simple, game is currently balanced not to make crapload-aura users invincible, so it ended up making builds that use few auras weak.

Solution: Again simple, make it 1 aura at a time max with three +1 aura major nodes located on different sides of the tree, one near CI, other one near BM and the final one near point blank. Then balance the game for that aura number.

I was running up to 77 maps with a 2hander <3k cyclone dps 5k armour using LoH and only having grace as an aura.

The game is easy, you guys are just going overkill. Nobody needs 50k dps.

@Lolzori
Well, take a good long look at Hatred vs Added Fire Damage.
They give practically the same benefit, but Hatred gives 14% less conversion. I understand that Added Fire has great synergy with Infernal Blow. Now if you swapped out Multistrike for Blood Magic, you could get more defensive stats while still having respectable DPS.

There are a couple of things that I don't like about of your current setup.

1) Why are you using Infernal Blow for single target and Frenzy for AoE. Infernal Blow's explosion has a great synergy with Melee Splash and would be much more beneficial. Frenzy has a higher scaling of physical and thus scale very well with Melee Physical, Added Fire and Hatred, making it very good for single target DPS.

2) Your 6L should also be used for your AoE ability, mainly because you spend about 90% of your PoE playtime AoEing packs, not single targetting bosses.

3) You say you don't need more DPS from auras but you are using 4 damage supports on your single target ability. I don't understand this reasoning at all. Dropping a damage support for Blood Magic and gaining the ability to run 4/5 auras is a tremendous improvement to your character.

4) I refuse to believe you are running difficult 76+ map mods with Abyssus penalty AND only 11k armour. Physical reflect on your Frenzy AoE would likely one shot you.

@Guioki
This is a game about character development, hence the constant drive to improve your character in various ways. I can play with 3k dps, but I can also play with 30k. Plus, 3k is really ridiculous compared to how high ranged DPS can be in the this. Your statement is partly the reason why I posted this. Two-handed builds should not be able to have such ridiculously low dps. It really highlights how weak non-Facebreaker/Soul Taker/Crit melee is at the moment.

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Acrosis wrote:

@Lolzori
Well, take a good long look at Hatred vs Added Fire Damage.
They give practically the same benefit, but Hatred gives 14% less conversion. I understand that Added Fire has great synergy with Infernal Blow. Now if you swapped out Multistrike for Blood Magic, you could get more defensive stats while still having respectable DPS.

There are a couple of things that I don't like about of your current setup.

1) Why are you using Infernal Blow for single target and Frenzy for AoE. Infernal Blow's explosion has a great synergy with Melee Splash and would be much more beneficial. Frenzy has a higher scaling of physical and thus scale very well with Melee Physical, Added Fire and Hatred, making it very good for single target DPS.

2) Your 6L should also be used for your AoE ability, mainly because you spend about 90% of your PoE playtime AoEing packs, not single targetting bosses.

3) You say you don't need more DPS from auras but you are using 4 damage supports on your single target ability. I don't understand this reasoning at all. Dropping a damage support for Blood Magic and gaining the ability to run 4/5 auras is a tremendous improvement to your character.

4) I refuse to believe you are running difficult 76+ map mods with Abyssus penalty AND only 11k armour.

1> i use infernal blow with melee spash, this give me 28k, but on the screen shot i eliminated meleesphash to get the 44k dps, that s maybe why you can see fire damage in the chest on my armor. I never use this in high level map, i always keep melee spash+life leech instead of added fire damage+life leech, i use the 44k dps in lower maps where infernal blow explosions are allready enought to clear packs.

2> i think my point previous answer cleared the mistake.

3> i dont use single target ability, like i answered in the first sentenses, at low level map the explosion of inferal blow at 44k is enough to clear packs, it work like a good AoE. I change my gems orders before each maps dependign of the situation.

Also: i nerver ever use frenzy, i just wanted to test it and never really changed the setup. I get about 15K using frenzy 4L

My main attacks are: infernal blow 28k and dominating blow 20K: Cyclone (5,5k) and frenzy (15k) are just for the fun.

For dominating blow, if i want to use it for my primary attack, i just swap gems, i put DM in the chest and IB in the gloves.

I do clear maps at level 76 but, the only map i dont run without a specific team is those with physical reflect .