Exactly why Facebreaker needs tweaking - An analysis.

You still did not proved that melee build are in general weaker than facebreaker builds.

All you do is explaining how FB got 2x time more damages without even taking in consideration that the dedicaced melee weapons nods got boosted from 10% to 20+% with speed attack in some cases. It seem to me you just can t create a melee build right and blame it on facebreaker.

I am sure that general melee build also got dps boosted, the proof is even with a dedicated facebreaker build, if i put out my gloves i can still use a 2 handed and get pretty much the same dps with a slight skill tree adjustment. Putting away my glove i can even get resit+life+armor gloves and be even more tanky than when i had my facebreakers lol.

By the way the damages i obtain with erqi, i can obtain them with Voidhome. Voidhome can even get more dps than Erqi because of its attack speed.





facebreaker (level 21) Obviously the level require does need to be changed to higher, possibly to level 40+

Abyssus : level 60

Bringer of rain : level 67

erqi: level 57

Voidhome: level 54

soultaker : 59

Look are those require levels. Its obvious facebreaker build does not have it easy in Merciless because to obtain the helm making your dps similar than a high level melee build, you need to get items that have high level drops! All those items but facebreaker s gloves are HIGH level requirement items allready.At that level if i take a 67 facebreaker build and a 67 erqi build, their dps are pretty much similar....

you claim erqi is rare? well it drop at the same levels than bringer or abyssus. What is rare is 6L erqi (and if you need a 6l at low level, you can just use tabula wich is a 1exalt max item).


And if you played a facebreaker build starting from no previous ressources, i am sure you could not buy those items easly.

The problem is just, most people starting facebreaker builds now are people that allready got exalts/gears from previous games and it is why they can have those items right away.It is obvious the only necessary nerf for facebreaker is the require level of the gloves to avoid low level faceroll .

Now, in a closed league with self found, there is noway facebreaker could get those high levels items easly. And if we are talking about standard or anarchy...those leagues are anyway made to get good items easly.


Now, one of your argument is the fact facebreakers can use shields. Well without shield my facebreaker build using a 6l armor would pass from 10k armor to 7k armor and i also loose about 200 life (i use lioneye, by the way this shield is a 70 level requirement)Because you know, 2 handed weapons build can t maybe use shield but they can put life, armor and resist on their gloves/belts, something a facebreaker build cannot.

With bringer of rain my build pass from 10k armor to about 6,5k armor and, if i do not use shield i cant use block so the helm is pretty much useless.

So without shield a facebreaker build would get assraped in any level 70+ maps! It would make the build totaly useless!

Who the hell plays Facebreaker without a shield.
Facebreaker is unmatched in damage besides Soul Taker who have a fair amount of DPS nodes, for the skills it can use. For stuff like Cleave, it is moot because you shouldn't be comparing Cleave to Cyclone etc.

I am not blaming anything at all. I'm just explaining why Facebreaker needs to be tweaked if melee has any chance of being buffed in future without any repercussions.

As you said, Facebreaker is great for early game/midgame so why does it matter if the items require 'high' levels?

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Acrosis wrote:

@Budget, 3k life with massive life leech? Not if your leech is capped to only 600 hp a second + life regen. Moar HP, MOAR. This is why you are struggling.

Facebreaker on a budget (5 ex) will obviously bring crap results. At a BiS gear level, we've seen Facebreaker damage go far and beyond what any two handed build can accomplish. With a shield to boot, what's not to like.

It almost seems... too easy.

I have literally never had more than a few ex at a time. The only piece of gear I have worth anywhere near that is my Witch's 5L chest, which has one res, a sick life roll, and something like 700/500 Armor/ES. There's nothing easy about it. You need incredibly good gear. Sure, you get good aggro, nobody's denying that, but you need impeccable gear to make up for the lost defenses due to the mandatory helmets.

Also, I run this:

Because I desperately need the extra damage.

You can get yourself a Lioneye's Remorse for 2-3 GCP for a middle rolled one. And that shield is about as good as it gets until you find a shield with 2000+ evasion/armour with life and resists (incredibly hard to find).

I've also got some pretty good Facebreaker jewellery I might give away for free sometime in the future.

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lolozori wrote:

By the way the damages i obtain with erqi, i can obtain them with Voidhome. Voidhome can even get more dps than Erqi because of its attack speed.

Lolz! Now go get me a 7L Voidhome!

this guy is comparing facebreakers to a TWO HANDED mace? which he is saying does less damage?

i don't think you know how much survivability you can get out of a shield....

FB + BoR may be able to faceroll a good bit of content but you can still die pretty easily.
Don't forget that with BoR you don't get to use a chest.. Talk about hurting survivability. Don't even get me started on how horrible FB is in a reflect map. At lvl 77 I have 25k DPS which stomps most monsters pretty quick. However, I die fairly often.

A 2h weapon doesn't get a shield. Boohoo. They get chest armor.