So Many BM Traders In This Comunity
" Well I'm not talking about something just for my personal benefit, it would be to the benefit of pretty much everyone that isn't profiting off scamming people by selling things at an over-inflated rate and buying underpriced. What I am talking about is convenience and standardized values, many trade only games have semi-fixed values for various items and effects as well as items deemed to be considered standard currency. I will admit Alch/Chaos/Exalts are pretty much the standard "currency" of Path of Exile but there is no standardized market. Lack of a standardized market creates instability and makes selling and buying as well as properly pricing items much harder. What I am not asking for is someone to "do the math for me" - I am capable of estimating the price I'm willing to pay for a given item based on how long I can forsee myself using it, the stats, and links. Over a long period of time the emergence of such a market is inevitable, however there's objectively no reason we shouldn't incubate its creation. A standardized market for gear makes everyone's lives significantly easier. Having a guide and reference point helps us find good starting points for selling, buying and pricing items. It also helps us make informed decisions. It doesn't remove the ability to barter or invent your own fanciful prices, or even run auctions on items as some people do. Merely it provides us with an easier starting point and makes the trading process more convenient for everyone involved. I guarantee a large chunk of problems and bitching about the current Trade system would be reduced with widely agreed values for items within the economy. Edit: Basically, having a guide/reference point will show everyone realistically what items, item mods and sockets/links realistically sell for. As of now there is no way to accurately determine what an item is worth unless you have significant trading experience or significant references to similar items and how well they sold. My "suggestion" as such, is simply members of the community sharing approximately what actually sells and for roughly how much. As for niche items these items generally tend to be cheaper than general items that work well with many builds. Less demand and less utility means it's harder to sell at a higher price. Last edited by Jillian#3641 on Jul 12, 2013, 12:06:29 PM
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" What you are trying to do is remove a core PvP mechanic from the game. Those who's fun is derived in this PvP mechanic will resist (of course). You're obviously not hardcore enough to play their game (neither am I). " What's going on here is that the systems as they are setup are running afoul of our innate sense of "fair play" (or at least, some of our senses of fair play). Because we understand the possibility (almost certainty actually) of being cheated we resist the entire setup. What's interesting to me is to look at it the other way though. Zappa is level 36 and she's accumulated whatever orbage she has along the way. Given that she is now capped on eqiupment and cannot hope to either find or craft what she needs, she has been effectively killed by the economy. It's not unreasonable to say that an equipment upgrade to her is worth every orb she's got because otherwise she's *poof*. That line of reasoning is obvious and intuitive. I think why it doesn't work for me goes to deeper cultural values. For me, haggling is both demeaning and dishonorable. It typically involves lots of behaviors that I do not accept in myself or others I engage with. That's in the real world. Add in to that the bad behavior that is introduced by anonymity on the internet and the entire "trading scene" appears like a cesspool of activity I'd just as soon avoid... even at the cost of finding a different game to play. The reason I like an auction house is that it allows me to bypass that cesspool entirely. I can go there and find what I need and go back to playing the non-economic portion of this game. I don't need to interact with liars, cheats, scam artists, and lord only knows what else. I just need to have enough orbage to buy whatever I need. Yup, I'm an economic carebear LOL I don't trade. I don't group. My comments reflect that.
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Not mentioning names but there is a particular person on standard that has like 5 accounts and sells how brow items. Not only does he somehow manage to aquire mirrors, shav's, and koams like they're candy, he bids his own items with his different accounts. I learned this the hard way... twice because I was unfamiliar with all of his accounts.
I have to say at the current trading situation I am done with buying items and even if they did implement a AH would it not allow others with offer accounts to bid up auctions. |
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" BM is a really common term from SC. |
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" fyi, just in case you dont know yet, item indexing sites like poe.xyz already provides the functions you want. i usually consult that site to see how much people are selling their items that are comparable to mine. it's a pain to look at each one though and try to find the item through their shop and track the current offers. http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/442549/page/1
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Fuck trading.
80% of people don't put a price tag on their merchandise. What sort of merchant puts goods on shelves with no price on them? Then you make an offer, and the reply is "no ty" with no counter-offer. You put no price, what did you expect!?! Then there's fake auctions "c/o: 1.5 ex", and somehow it goes down half an hour later... Then there's the no non-sense overvalued Exalts and how botters/RMTs just messed up the currency ratios. Then, there's the fact that if you don't trade, your gear will likely be junk for a VERY long time. See first line ^ Last edited by Thalandor#0885 on Jul 12, 2013, 3:13:35 PM
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" Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. If someone allready has a price in his mind, why not just say it? You make them an offer and they get mad because its less than they want. Okay. But instead of talking about the price you get no further response. I mean, what kind of shitty behaviour is this? And this happens a lot. That's why I only show interest if the seller is willing to communicate what he wants for the item. It's easier for both parties. Sure, sometimes you sell an item below its price, but at the end its less stressfull for both parties involved, you trade faster and save time. Another thing that botters me is people do not understand the principle of auctions. I mean, people are taking offers without telling you a timeframe when the auction ends. It can be 5 minutes or 2 days, in most cases they probably do not know it themselves. That's definitely not professional and not fun for the bidder. IGN: Dreador Last edited by Vigor113#2760 on Jul 12, 2013, 4:39:07 PM
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" It happens a lot more than you think, even in real life, it is supposed the base of good bartering, as some shady individuals/scammers will say for sure. But sure, it pisses me off as well. You sell, you give a price, should be simple! But that would prevent scamming, so it's not happening... |
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Those kind of people who have no respect for others will always be in this world. Don't waste your energy on them and forget about them asap.
I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all.
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