Claw Bloodseeker Build Brainstorming

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Kirielis wrote:

Cyclone shadow dual claws here! Good to see someone else doing it.

I deal only straight up physical. No crit points, no shock stacking. My Cyclone is linked to Blind and Faster Attacks (sue me, I'm lazy and I don't have endgame armour.) With 1.3k HP in merciless A2 it was a cake walk. Not even kidding.

Not sure how well Static Blows would work, it's pretty far away from most other stuff and you have only 20% damage effectiveness on cyclone, but you are welcome to try. Do let me know the outcome?

Is dual claw worthwhile with cyclone? It only hits once per spin instead of twice, so it seems like the only advantage is the dual wield speed bonus.

Thanks for all your input guys!

Atm I'm really leaning towards CI cyclone with Melee Physical Damage + Melee Damage on Full Life (CI) + Added Fire + Blind. Not sure if replacing one of the damage gems with faster attacks would result in more DPS?

Regarding 1-2H and cyclone. As far as I can see, the advantage of using 2 claws is: more life leech and (when using bloodseeker) a second claw with higher DPS.

As my damage with passives and gems should be pretty decent, I lean towards using a shield for extra ES (this way a hybrid chest or even just a pure armour or armour/evasion chest would be viable [and much easier to roll melee colours on]).


Static Blows would be worth taking if chance to shock is calculated for each hit - with cyclone there are a lot (!) of hits ;)

There are, but do you deal sufficient lightning damage per hit to shock? Perhaps with a lot of crit multiplier, in which case never mind static blows.

Ya, if you're planning to CI, use a shield. (Melee colours on a chest? Carcass Jack goes well with cyclone.)

I have dual claws because...it's fun? Yes, I'm aware of why 1h+shield is "better".

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Kirielis wrote:

There are, but do you deal sufficient lightning damage per hit to shock? Perhaps with a lot of crit multiplier, in which case never mind static blows.

You don't need to crit with static blows and any hit with lightning damage (even just 1-5 on a ring) would have a chance to shock. And with shock all damage is multiplied ;)
However, still unsure of how cyclone works with static blows...

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Kirielis wrote:

Ya, if you're planning to CI, use a shield. (Melee colours on a chest? Carcass Jack goes well with cyclone.)

Exactly, with a shield (and the 3 ES shield nodes on the left side of the tree) I could get 1000+ ES from the shield and wouldn't have to rely too much on my chest (which would need melee clolours).

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Kirielis wrote:

I have dual claws because...it's fun? Yes, I'm aware of why 1h+shield is "better".

...and it looks way better ;)


Edit - just saw that there's more to shock:

Was I mapping with you? I saw a bloodseeker drop in a wharf map and the person who picked it thought about making builds with it.

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Pes_Planus wrote:

You don't need to crit with static blows and any hit with lightning damage (even just 1-5 on a ring) would have a chance to shock. And with shock all damage is multiplied ;)
However, still unsure of how cyclone works with static blows...

That is not entirely correct, because, although that 1-5 lightdmg would have a chance to shock, the shock duration would be too low and the shock would be ignored. With Thunderfist+Elemental Proliferation+WED-gem on the other hand it could work very well if you dont want to go for crit...

About Static Blows and Cyclone, works as you would expect... every single hit has a chance to shock. I tested it on my Cleave Shadow with Static Blows - works.


regards

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baoxxx wrote:

Was I mapping with you? I saw a bloodseeker drop in a wharf map and the person who picked it thought about making builds with it.

Quite possible :)
Been playing quite a few 66-69 maps (mostly public) with my cleave duelist recently (CookieMonsterPes)...
What was your IGN?

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Azdrubel wrote:

That is not entirely correct, because, although that 1-5 lightdmg would have a chance to shock, the shock duration would be too low and the shock would be ignored. With Thunderfist+Elemental Proliferation+WED-gem on the other hand it could work very well if you dont want to go for crit...

About Static Blows and Cyclone, works as you would expect... every single hit has a chance to shock. I tested it on my Cleave Shadow with Static Blows - works.

I know - see the spoiler in my post - the required damage would depend on the monster life... Any clue if there is a list with how much life each monster/boss has?

With 40% damage effectiveness that'd mean quite a bit of lightning damage I suppose. Taking my example with a 5000 life boss -> I'd have to deal 125 lightning damage (reduced to 50 by cyclone) - maybe with wrath?

With sufficient crit multiplier, you can shockstack white mobs and usually blue with added lightning gem on FP. You'll never shock bosses without something like 800% crit multiplier. Rares are a toss-up depending on where you're shooting from.

I'd say you can probably shock white mobs with cyclone on maps if you're lucky. With crits you MIGHT be able to shock rares. Meh.

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Kirielis wrote:

With sufficient crit multiplier, you can shockstack white mobs and usually blue with added lightning gem on FP. You'll never shock bosses without something like 800% crit multiplier. Rares are a toss-up depending on where you're shooting from.

I'd say you can probably shock white mobs with cyclone on maps if you're lucky. With crits you MIGHT be able to shock rares. Meh.

ele proliferation allows you to spread shock and freeze to uniques without having to fulfill such requirements; as long as you target something else to allow it to prolif

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Pes_Planus wrote:

Quite possible :)
Been playing quite a few 66-69 maps (mostly public) with my cleave duelist recently (CookieMonsterPes)...
What was your IGN?

My IGN is Duel_ist, a lightning striker. I'm pretty sure I've seen that name before.