Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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iravia wrote:

Isn't the fear of maps being ninja loot, keeping people from opening up more public map groups? As you say yourself, if a map gets ninja, you won't open a map. So in the end only a few brave individuals are willing to open low level 66-68 maps. No one is foolish enough to start public groups for 72+ maps. Why is it that there are so many docks groups but no public map groups?

Endgame is broken.

No its not broken. I don't have to run public maps. I do it for fun. Also, there is no written rule that says end game is MAPS and MAPS only.

If anything the actual portal system of maps makes me choose not to run high end maps because some people die toooo much.


I run the lower end maps with easier mods just so the random people don't die every two seconds.


Last night i ran 7 maps straight. During one map run NO maps dropped and someone offered a plain white 68 map so i would open another. I told him, its all cool and open another anyways.


A good group is is sometimes worth more than map drops.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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GhostlightX wrote:

FFA loot is also killing the endgame. No one wants to run their dwindling stock of Maps with strangers who might ninja drops and new Maps.

Give us the instanced option and you will see a LOT more open games running maps and inviting 5 other players, for safety in numbers etc. So you would also solve the "not enough Maps" compaint as well as there will be public Map groups to join all over the place. Win - win.

I run map pub groups. Complete FFA. Although, I just run 66-67 ones in pub.

By the way, why would instanced loot make people do more pub map groups. People will get map drop, than not say anything. No one will know if maps are dropping. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.

I am guessing that Ghostlight is fine with others getting their own map drops as long as the ones that drop for him goes to him.

In your case that is fine. A lot of people quit after 70 because there is no one to play with anymore unless it is with your friends. POE is a social game and is popular because people can quest together. No one wants to map with strangers and that is a problem.

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iamstryker wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

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GhostlightX wrote:

FFA loot is also killing the endgame. No one wants to run their dwindling stock of Maps with strangers who might ninja drops and new Maps.

Give us the instanced option and you will see a LOT more open games running maps and inviting 5 other players, for safety in numbers etc. So you would also solve the "not enough Maps" compaint as well as there will be public Map groups to join all over the place. Win - win.

I run map pub groups. Complete FFA. Although, I just run 66-67 ones in pub.

By the way, why would instanced loot make people do more pub map groups. People will get map drop, than not say anything. No one will know if maps are dropping. Your argument makes absolutely no sense.

I am guessing that Ghostlight is fine with others getting their own map drops as long as the ones that drop for him goes to him.

Of course.

Instanced loot means everyone would end up in more map runs because there would be more public Map runs. I do 2 or 3 Maps per night if I am lucky. 30 whole mins of endgame play. AMAZING. What a brilliant endgame. That'll keep the playerbase till Act 4 launches in 2014.

If there were actually open public games running maps I could do a dozen a night.

Again, this makes absolutely no sense. If you're worried about losing a map now, you would have even LESS of a chance of getting it in an instanced system.

So, again, WHY would there by more map pub games?

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Vooodu wrote:

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iravia wrote:

Isn't the fear of maps being ninja loot, keeping people from opening up more public map groups? As you say yourself, if a map gets ninja, you won't open a map. So in the end only a few brave individuals are willing to open low level 66-68 maps. No one is foolish enough to start public groups for 72+ maps. Why is it that there are so many docks groups but no public map groups?

Endgame is broken.

No its not broken.

It is. I have 3 maps to my name. 30 to 40 mins gameplay? Than I am all out of endgame unless I get lucky and more Maps drop. I can play for about 5 hours tonight. I'd need about 20 Maps to play meaningfully for that time. Will I get that with the 3 I have? No chance. I could run some public Map groups to make up the time. Oh no wait, I can't because there aren't any, due to godawful loot rules deterring them. If that isn't a broken endgame, I do not know what is. FFA lovers are really running out of straws to clutch at I hope.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Again, this makes absolutely no sense. If you're worried about losing a map now, you would have even LESS of a chance of getting it in an instanced system.

So, again, WHY would there by more map pub games?

Because the loot system deters them. Not for Maps specifically, just the general dislike of ninjas. More public Maps runs means I'd get 20 or 30 Map runs per night instead of the 3 I get (when I'm lucky). Pretty sure if I do 20 runs instead of 3 I'll get more loot in general, including Maps.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Again, this makes absolutely no sense. If you're worried about losing a map now, you would have even LESS of a chance of getting it in an instanced system.

So, again, WHY would there by more map pub games?

There's still a chance he could get more maps playing like that. Its just random as to who the maps would drop for. He at least could enjoy a public party and know that IF a map drops for him he would get it without a chance of losing it.

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iamstryker wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Again, this makes absolutely no sense. If you're worried about losing a map now, you would have even LESS of a chance of getting it in an instanced system.

So, again, WHY would there by more map pub games?

There's still a chance he could get more maps playing like that. Its just random as to who the maps would drop for. He at least could enjoy a public party and know that IF a map drops for him he would get it without a chance of losing it.

Judging by his posts, it sounds like he's a leecher in maps anyways. Since he equates the amount of maps he can run, completely based off of whether others are running them. So, might as well join an FFA group, he would have better odds at getting map to drop for him or by taking one that is unallocated.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Again, this makes absolutely no sense. If you're worried about losing a map now, you would have even LESS of a chance of getting it in an instanced system.

So, again, WHY would there by more map pub games?

Isn't it obvious? Pub groups with instanced loot would work different, than in current loot system. There would be groups "Instanced loot maps, everyone brings one level 70 map".