Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Sickness wrote:

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RestInPieces wrote:

-Pro-FFA people who want FFA for the reasons i mentioned earlier (i don't have to quote it again right?) will NOT make FFA parties in the end - they will make non-FFA parties. That's obviously because they run the risk of getting ninja'ed which the people in non-FFA parties do not have. So, in truth, all they do is virtually gimping themselves in comparison to the now privileged non-FFA players gameplay-wise by being in FFA parties

That has been debunked so many times already.

You seem to completely forget one thing: Players in FFA parties have a chance to ninja other peoples loot aswell. It's a zero sum game, you only "gimp" yourself if you are bad at FFA-looting, but that's the whole point of a competition isn't it??

There is also the fact that in a FFA game you will see alot more items that may be good for you but not even worth picking up for the one it dropped to. So the "easy mode" of instanced loot is ridiculously exaggerated.

Don't mix the pro-FFA people i mention with ninjas.
I think i was perfectly clear and mentioned pro-FFA with ninjas separately.
Contrary to what you may believe, not all pro-FFA players want to ninja your loot!
We still want FFA though for reasons, some of which were mentioned even by the developers themselves.
So much for debunking it.

It is not about the game being easy or hard Go read the reasons why FFA is more enjoyable for some people.

PS: Some people say "easy mode" because they just don't enjoy loot placed by the game in their hands, surely "easy mode" is not a good way to put it because people confuse it with difficulty etc.

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RestInPieces wrote:

Don't mix the pro-FFA people i mention with ninjas.
I think i was perfectly clear and mentioned pro-FFA with ninjas separately.
Contrary to what you may believe, not all pro-FFA players want to ninja your loot!
We still want FFA though for reasons, some of which were mentioned even by the developers themselves.
So much for debunking it.

So you want FFA loot but you don't want loot competition? That doesn't make much sense since loot competitions is the point of FFA.
Then there surely must be some other option that is better. Longer timers for example.

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Sickness wrote:

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RestInPieces wrote:

Don't mix the pro-FFA people i mention with ninjas.
I think i was perfectly clear and mentioned pro-FFA with ninjas separately.
Contrary to what you may believe, not all pro-FFA players want to ninja your loot!
We still want FFA though for reasons, some of which were mentioned even by the developers themselves.
So much for debunking it.

So you want FFA loot but you don't want loot competition? That doesn't make much sense since loot competitions is the point of FFA.
Then there surely must be some other option that is better. Longer timers for example.

Picking up your loot seems like the most logical solution.

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Sickness wrote:

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RestInPieces wrote:

Don't mix the pro-FFA people i mention with ninjas.
I think i was perfectly clear and mentioned pro-FFA with ninjas separately.
Contrary to what you may believe, not all pro-FFA players want to ninja your loot!
We still want FFA though for reasons, some of which were mentioned even by the developers themselves.
So much for debunking it.

So you want FFA loot but you don't want loot competition? That doesn't make much sense since loot competitions is the point of FFA.
Then there surely must be some other option that is better. Longer timers for example.

Yes, personally i don't make the choice to ninja but that's irrelevant. I do want loot competition in general for reasons mentioned several times. If the devs increased the timers slightly for people who have latency etc issues i would understand.


to iamstryker:

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However what I really said was a response to your claim that no one would play FFA anymore. That tells me that people weren't really enjoying it

The reason would be not because they don't enjoy it, but because they are put at a clear disadvantage in comparison to the "sheltered" others.

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People can already avoid FFA BUT STILL choose to play it 2) The game is the easiest in private games so this issue can't be about game difficulty since the easiest way to play is already available.

The easiness thing - i explained above answering to sickness. It's about what we enjoy. The for the solo/party issue is something that has to do with easiness but it's virtually irrelevant.

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There are certainly people who don't like the system and haven't complained because they don't come to the forums at all.

Then they don't care enough for this matter in order to get on the forums and complain.
At the moment a system is present. If people want change, people will express it.
If they don't need a change, people don't yell, "hey we don't need a change!".
And most people won't even argue about it if they see "loot complain threads" because that system is already present.
So you can't see the analogy by "complain threads" most of which are posted by the rage of the moment. If someone is happy about it, you know it is much less likely to express it than someone who just got his loot ninja'ed and is furious with rage.

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RestInPieces wrote:

And i ask you, how many people do you think would play hardcore if all the players were in the same server?

I think people would choose to play hardcore anytime whether its the same server or not. They just love it that much.

Seriously doubt that ;)
But since you believe the opposite what can i say.

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RestInPieces wrote:

The reason would be not because they don't enjoy it, but because they are put at a clear disadvantage in comparison to the "sheltered" others.

FFA is absolutely NOT a clear disadvantage to an instanced system. All instanced means is that your guaranteed your loot. Your also guarenteed to not get more than your share like people can do in FFA. People claim to be good at FFA and normally get MORE than what they would get in instanced so why on earth would they feel required to play instanced? Thats crazy.

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RestInPieces wrote:

Then they don't care enough for this matter in order to get on the forums and complain.

They can certainly care about it and not come to the forum but thats not the most important thing here.

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RestInPieces wrote:

At the moment a system is present. If people want change, people will express it.

Are you brand new here or something? People HAVE experessed it, to the point that all looting threads are now locked because of it and the devs even felt the need to respond to it with "we are having an internal discussion regarding looting options".

If you want to do some homework do a search on looting threads or sujects similar and start counting everyoen who says that the timer needs adjusted or who just want ANY change to the current system. You will notice that the forums are littered with people NOT HAPPY with the current system. The issue has been beat to death so your not going to see people posting all of the time. They have already posted a few times and they are done.

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iamstryker wrote:

Are you brand new here or something? People HAVE experessed it, to the point that all looting threads are now locked because of it and the devs even felt the need to respond to it with "we are having an internal discussion regarding looting options".

If you want to do some homework do a search on looting threads or sujects similar and start counting everyoen who says that the timer needs adjusted or who just want ANY change to the current system. You will notice that the forums are littered with people NOT HAPPY with the current system. The issue has been beat to death so your not going to see people posting all of the time. They have already posted a few times and they are done.

You misunderstood what i said.

In general when a group of people wants change they will express it (as they have yes).
On the opposite if a group people is content with the current system they will not make threads about it or voice their status as the others do.
That's just a fact. The only way you can see who is the majority is seeing how many will complain if they make the actual change.

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RestInPieces wrote:

Yes, personally i don't make the choice to ninja but that's irrelevant. I do want loot competition in general for reasons mentioned several times. If the devs increased the timers slightly for people who have latency etc issues i would understand.

You either want loot competition or you don't. If you do then FFA with no or short timers will be your loot option of choice.
If you don't want loot competition but still want to see other peoples drop then longer timers will be your preferd loot option.
If you don't want loot competition and don't want to clutter the screen with other peoples loot then you will choose instanced loot.


As Vodu and his friends have explain so many times: There are no ninjas in an FFA group.

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Sickness wrote:

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RestInPieces wrote:

Yes, personally i don't make the choice to ninja but that's irrelevant. I do want loot competition in general for reasons mentioned several times. If the devs increased the timers slightly for people who have latency etc issues i would understand.

You either want loot competition or you don't. If you do then FFA with no or short timers will be your loot option of choice.
If you don't want loot competition but still want to see other peoples drop then longer timers will be your preferd loot option.
If you don't want loot competition and don't want to clutter the screen with other peoples loot then you will choose instanced loot.


As Vodu and his friends have explain so many times: There are no ninjas in an FFA group.

As i said i want competition.
They say that because everyone is for their one out there and indeed loot doesn't virtually belong to anyone. They say that because others use ninjas as an accusation - i do not, nor do i accuse them, it's their choice.
But given the current system, some may respect loot while others choose not to. What i am saying is that not only people who are "good at FFA" and "claim the loot for their own" want competition.

dp

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RestInPieces wrote:

As i said i want competition.
They say that because everyone is for their one out there and indeed loot doesn't virtually belong to anyone. They say that because others use ninjas as an accusation - i do not, nor do i accuse them, it's their choice.
But given the current system, some may respect loot while others choose not to. What i am saying is that not only people who are "good at FFA" and "claim the loot for their own" want competition.

So your position is that you want others to be able to take "your loot", but you don't want to take "other peoples loot". And if instanced loot option was added then you would be at a direct disadvantage because your "lose-only FFA" is strictly worse than instanced loot?