Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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iamstryker wrote:

I've challenged the so called FFA hardcore people in here to PVP and apparently they can't even do that.

I don't really get why you keep mentioning that as if it has any relevance to this thread. You can be hardcore about a game, yet not concern yourself with pvp at this time for numerous reasons. Challenging people who probably don't even have a pvp viable character is supposedly praiseworthy?

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SeikenZ wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

I've challenged the so called FFA hardcore people in here to PVP and apparently they can't even do that.

I don't really get why you keep mentioning that as if it has any relevance to this thread. You can be hardcore about a game, yet not concern yourself with pvp at this time for numerous reasons. Challenging people who probably don't even have a pvp viable character is supposedly praiseworthy?

to be honest I don't even know what the word 'hardcore' is supposed to mean. it is as if there is different interpretations to the word 'hardcore' in such a way that people all over the world can consider themselves 'hardcore' because their ego is much too large.

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SeikenZ wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

I've challenged the so called FFA hardcore people in here to PVP and apparently they can't even do that.

I don't really get why you keep mentioning that as if it has any relevance to this thread. You can be hardcore about a game, yet not concern yourself with pvp at this time for numerous reasons. Challenging people who probably don't even have a pvp viable character is supposedly praiseworthy?

Really funny you say that since this whole discussion is on whether or not people should be required to pvp in public games.

I bring it up because they talk down to us like they are supreme players. Yet when I challenge them to a hardcore element of the game all I hear are crickets.

Enjoying the loot clicking mini game does not make you hardcore and does not prove that you enjoy more of a challenge than people who don't like it.

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iamstryker wrote:

I bring it up because they talk down to us like they are supreme players. Yet when I challenge them to a hardcore element of the game all I hear are crickets.

Like I said, there are numerous reasons why one would not pvp at this time. All I ever did was PvP in D2, WoW, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, you name it. It's all I did. Yet I haven't even touched it in this game. Why? Personally because I'm too busy experimenting with all the possibilities that this game has to offer and PvP simply doesn't fit in the schedule.

It's logical that when someone doesn't have a PvP character, or hasn't put time into anything PvP related, but instead spent all his availabale time in another part of the game, that your "challenge" won't be answered. You challenging someone like that has no purpose.

Disregarding the last part of your post because I didn't talk about that in the first place.

You don't need a pvp character in order to play it. Mine wasn't built for pvp either.


You ignored my reason for bringing it up in the first place. I don't care if they pvp or have spent any time in it at all.

I care that they talk down to players who don't enjoy the game like they do. They put down players who don't care about being "speedy" to loot.

I expected people this full of themselves to at least have played a little real pvp. Apparently I was wrong.

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iamstryker wrote:

I've challenged the so called FFA hardcore people in here to PVP and apparently they can't even do that.

Don't be such a bad-ass please! :P


No, seriously now, the "casual vs hardcore" crap aside, we are all players playing a game.
In my humble opinion you are spoiled from games you must have played in the past and aren't used to FFA at all.

But my opinion also aside, the fact is that some people enjoy the game differently than others. That's a fact yes?

Thing is you can't ask for an option. It just won't work. Claiming that an option for a convenience in a competitive online game would be perfectly viable is just wrong.
What would happen if you want me to analyze it is this:

-People who want separate loot will obviously make only non-FFA parties.

-People who want to claim items, even from their fellow members (aka ninjas) will only make FFA parties hoping they will... ninja something.

-Pro-FFA people who want FFA for the reasons i mentioned earlier (i don't have to quote it again right?) will NOT make FFA parties in the end - they will make non-FFA parties. That's obviously because they run the risk of getting ninja'ed which the people in non-FFA parties do not have. So, in truth, all they do is virtually gimping themselves in comparison to the now privileged non-FFA players gameplay-wise by being in FFA parties

-A while later sworn ninjas will also join non-FFA parties either. The bulk of the population will play in non-FFA parties and none will join their FFA party if they make one.
(Out of spite they will now leech your experience instead!)

And just like that FFA loot will be extinct. True story! You don't need to have online game experience to know what will happen it's going to happen because it's the rational outcome.



And that's why the option thing will never work. It is either FFA or not FFA the sooner you guys realize it the better the conversation will be and we will just go back to "we enjoy this and you enjoy that".

Anyway i can respect your desire for non-FFA (i still believe that you can't/don't want to be arsed to find decent people to party with and that the only thing you want is to bot your way out of a map with some randoms without risk of being ninja'ed and just go to sleep after a tiring day at work (won't blame you for that, i work as well) but nevermind what i believe, that's a big parenthesis by the way) but i urge you to check at some threads of guilds asking for people for organized parties or talk in-game with a person or two so that you form party which respects people's loot (it CAN happen).

It's funny how this topic is still open and going.

Pretend you're on an island and you have a rat problem. So you dig a hole, drop some food in there to rot and smell really bad to attract the rats, then let them gather there and eat each other.

This is exactly what this thread is. They don't care about this subject. They made this thread for people to vent when they get upset that someone stole their loot. I've posted here a few times my self.

It's very disrespectful to their players quite frankly. They should just lock the thread and make an official announcement about their standing on the matter and move on.

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RestInPieces wrote:

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So how do we make options available while still giving incentive to join FFA parties? I've already suggested this twice in the thread, but it seems to get ignored.

Option 1) FFA, as it is now.
Option 2) Instanced Loot or Extended Timers with a 25% reduced item quantity penalty.

People would get more loot from FFA parties if they were paying attention, yet guaranteed loot from instanced loot / extended timers if they had high latency issues and whatnot.

Win win, except all of those hardcore FFA players won't have easy pickings of people to take items from.

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EndOfEnds wrote:

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RestInPieces wrote:

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So how do we make options available while still giving incentive to join FFA parties? I've already suggested this twice in the thread, but it seems to get ignored.

Option 1) FFA, as it is now.
Option 2) Instanced Loot or Extended Timers with a 25% reduced item quantity penalty.

People would get more loot from FFA parties if they were paying attention, yet guaranteed loot from instanced loot / extended timers if they had high latency issues and whatnot.

Win win, except all of those hardcore FFA players won't have easy pickings of people to take items from.

It seems you get it. With a trade-off of equal value it might work... at least FFA wouldn't die out... I doubt it is a wise thing to do dev-wise though but nevermind that whatever will be will be.

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RestInPieces wrote:

Thing is you can't ask for an option. It just won't work. Claiming that an option for a convenience in a competitive online game would be perfectly viable is just wrong.

You just ignore what we say, so I'll just ignore everything you've just stated as well. Good day.

Options can work, but you don't want them to. Just say "Deal with it" like Vooodu does and call us carebears for all I care. You're just as damaging to the thread if you won't try to argue our points and then call us wrong rather than just flat out state you are correct.

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RestInPieces wrote:

It seems you get it. With a trade-off of equal value it might work... at least FFA wouldn't die out... I doubt it is a wise thing to do dev-wise though but nevermind that whatever will be will be.

There's already a trade-off with instanced looting vs FFA.

Example: (6 person group)

FFA: 30 pieces of loot whoever gets it gets it.

Instanced: 5 pieces of loot each. You overall would get LESS, but are not having to compete for loot and instead focus on the PVE aspect of PoE, which is what clearly many want.

The people that know and love FFA would stick with FFA because it is better overall, but players that don't want FFA would have a choice given to them.

You can make options work; as stated many many other times before. It's just you guys would like to force others to have to use the FFA looting system for whatever reason unknown to me.