Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

Instanced loot should have a penalty or else nobody would play FFA anymore. People will always take the path of least resistance, and since instanced loot is guaranteed and FFA loot is not, instanced should have a penalty. PoE is a game of decision making, so having to decide between safe loot vs more loot would fit it quite well.

Says the hardcore player :)

I see where you are coming from, though both situations aren't exactly comparable. I play hardcore because it gives me a sense of accomplishment when I progress through the game. I have a similar feeling when getting good loot in a FFA group (inb4 killbilly calls me the impersonation of Satan because he assumes by getting I mean 'ninjaing'). If I look at it the other way round, playing softcore would bore me to death since I could progress by accumulating enough portal scrolls and just throw myself at bosses repeatedly, thus not feeling like I've accomplished anything. Playing in an instanced loot environment wouldn't trigger the same feeling though, because even though I got my loot a lot easier, I still had to do something for it (play well, not die, balance my equip so I have decent IIQ/IIR...), so it doesn't feel that watered down.

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Demious wrote:

If you're gonna force people to play with (what they think) is a broken loot system then they will just leave the game. And while a certain someone here loves this "my way or the highway" approach, I'am sure the guys at GGG wouldn't wanna push players away from their game. I doubt any game dev would.

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SeikenZ wrote:

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Demious wrote:

If you're gonna force people to play with (what they think) is a broken loot system then they will just leave the game. And while a certain someone here loves this "my way or the highway" approach, I'am sure the guys at GGG wouldn't wanna push players away from their game. I doubt any game dev would.

Why not? It worked with Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, where people who were whining about the constant invasions of other players interfering with their "style of play" when playing online (which was the intended full experience). I heard people plea for an invasion "off" switch, but they were just forced to play the game offline or in soulmode (which halved your total HP, but made it so that you couldn't be invaded by others).

From Software made a successful game and sequel nonetheless by upholding the more hardcore experience as the true experience and vision of their game.

I'm also sure, that not every dev wants to make his/her game for "everyone" and therefor let his/her game lose its identity by compromising for every thing that is cried about, making the game not so much their game anymore, but the player's game, aka another one of those many games.

When you start to give in to mass crying, you're practically opening the door for more compromises, because people now know that it can be done if enough people voice their opinion about it. For example, next thing you'll get is people whining about droprates of certain items, because they're too rare. Opening the doors on this is something I fear for myself.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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SeikenZ wrote:

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Demious wrote:

If you're gonna force people to play with (what they think) is a broken loot system then they will just leave the game. And while a certain someone here loves this "my way or the highway" approach, I'am sure the guys at GGG wouldn't wanna push players away from their game. I doubt any game dev would.

Why not? It worked with Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, where people who were whining about the constant invasions of other players interfering with their "style of play" when playing online (which was the intended full experience). I heard people plea for an invasion "off" switch, but they were just forced to play the game offline or in soulmode (which halved your total HP, but made it so that you couldn't be invaded by others).

From Software made a successful game and sequel nonetheless by upholding the more hardcore experience as the true experience and vision of their game.

I'm also sure, that not every dev wants to make his/her game for "everyone" and therefor let his/her game lose its identity by compromising for every thing that is cried about, making the game not so much their game anymore, but the player's game, aka another one of those many games.

When you start to give in to mass crying, you're practically opening the door for more compromises, because people now know that it can be done if enough people voice their opinion about it. For example, next thing you'll get is people whining about droprates of certain items, because they're too rare. Opening the doors on this is something I fear for myself.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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Drahken wrote:

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SeikenZ wrote:

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Demious wrote:

If you're gonna force people to play with (what they think) is a broken loot system then they will just leave the game. And while a certain someone here loves this "my way or the highway" approach, I'am sure the guys at GGG wouldn't wanna push players away from their game. I doubt any game dev would.

Why not? It worked with Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, where people who were whining about the constant invasions of other players interfering with their "style of play" when playing online (which was the intended full experience). I heard people plea for an invasion "off" switch, but they were just forced to play the game offline or in soulmode (which halved your total HP, but made it so that you couldn't be invaded by others).

From Software made a successful game and sequel nonetheless by upholding the more hardcore experience as the true experience and vision of their game.

I'm also sure, that not every dev wants to make his/her game for "everyone" and therefor let his/her game lose its identity by compromising for every thing that is cried about, making the game not so much their game anymore, but the player's game, aka another one of those many games.

When you start to give in to mass crying, you're practically opening the door for more compromises, because people now know that it can be done if enough people voice their opinion about it. For example, next thing you'll get is people whining about droprates of certain items, because they're too rare. Opening the doors on this is something I fear for myself.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

uh wth are you talking about. Your comparison is a joke.

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malvod wrote:

The cut-throat, hardcore, unforgiving atmosphere that is Wraeclast...

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malvod wrote:

The cut-throat, hardcore, unforgiving atmosphere that is Wraeclast and the heart of this game is what draws people in.

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SeikenZ wrote:

Why not? It worked with Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, where people who were whining about the constant invasions of other players interfering with their "style of play" when playing online (which was the intended full experience). I heard people plea for an invasion "off" switch, but they were just forced to play the game offline or in soulmode (which halved your total HP, but made it so that you couldn't be invaded by others).

From Software made a successful game and sequel nonetheless by upholding the more hardcore experience as the true experience and vision of their game.

I'm also sure, that not every dev wants to make his/her game for "everyone" and therefor let his/her game lose its identity by compromising for every thing that is cried about, making the game not so much their game anymore, but the player's game, aka another one of those many games.

When you start to give in to mass crying, you're practically opening the door for more compromises, because people now know that it can be done if enough people voice their opinion about it. For example, next thing you'll get is people whining about droprates of certain items, because they're too rare. Opening the doors on this is something I fear for myself.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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Sickness wrote:

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SeikenZ wrote:

Why not? It worked with Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, where people who were whining about the constant invasions of other players interfering with their "style of play" when playing online (which was the intended full experience). I heard people plea for an invasion "off" switch, but they were just forced to play the game offline or in soulmode (which halved your total HP, but made it so that you couldn't be invaded by others).

From Software made a successful game and sequel nonetheless by upholding the more hardcore experience as the true experience and vision of their game.

I'm also sure, that not every dev wants to make his/her game for "everyone" and therefor let his/her game lose its identity by compromising for every thing that is cried about, making the game not so much their game anymore, but the player's game, aka another one of those many games.

When you start to give in to mass crying, you're practically opening the door for more compromises, because people now know that it can be done if enough people voice their opinion about it. For example, next thing you'll get is people whining about droprates of certain items, because they're too rare. Opening the doors on this is something I fear for myself.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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