Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Crackmonster wrote:

i may say it to support my point, but when i write i have an actual point and not just trying to diss others.

We can keep this up all day long for i did not enter any traps here.

It wasn't an ad hominem, I merely listed one type of fallacy you have used previously. I quoted something you said in that post because it was also a fallacy, but I did not imply it was too a ad hominem. It was more of a slippery slope. It's as if GGG listens to us, then the game will spiral out of control. Also, it's sort of like a straw man because you were something something along the lines of "I care about longevity, while you guys want GGG to sell out". So instead of attacking my points or other points for that matter, you chose to attack the straw man and therefore what I said was false?

...or maybe I misunderstood what you meant by the paragraph ENTIRELY.

Anyway, what is it that you are afraid of? Why can't FFA and instanced loot co-exist? If players benefit from choosing FFA over instanced looting, then your worries should be minimal. Not everyone would choose instanced looting. The competition still exists for those that want it.

Well, you may call it a slippery slope, such do all who have not the eye of time.

Meanwhile, not my concern, and not true to timelessness either.

You may say what you want, thinking i am just trolling, but i am deeply serious about the omens of the past. Do not repeat the steps or you will arrive at the same end.

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Anyway, what is it that you are afraid of? Why can't FFA and instanced loot co-exist? If players benefit from choosing FFA over instanced looting, then your worries should be minimal. Not everyone would choose instanced looting. The competition still exists for those that want it.

I am afraid it will open a gate that cannot be closed.

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Sickness wrote:

I don't think a penalty makes much sense at all.

Ah, but why? It certainly shouldn't offer the same loot scenario as FFA or what Vooodu said would be true. Everyone would just go for instanced looting because there is guaranteed loot.

I dunno about having no penalty. Wouldn't be as much of a compromise then.

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

I don't think a penalty makes much sense at all.

Ah, but why? It certainly shouldn't offer the same loot scenario as FFA or what Vooodu said would be true. Everyone would just go for instanced looting because there is guaranteed loot.

I dunno about having no penalty. Wouldn't be as much of a compromise then.

Well, first of all I would (and have) argue that the game is designed for instanced loot so I really don't see the issue with everyone playing it that way.
But that aside, the looting/gameplay advantage of instanced loot is highly overstated.
You have risk of getting less than 1/n of the loot, but you are rewarded with the chance of getting more than 1/n of the loot.
So in terms of risk/reward it's balanced already.
In FFA you will also see alot more items to pick up since everyone does not pick up everything; something that is not even worth picking up for one person may be good for you. That's an advantage for FFA that I think weighs up for any argument about "instanced loot being easier as you can focus more on the monsters".

Instanced loot should have a penalty or else nobody would play FFA anymore. People will always take the path of least resistance, and since instanced loot is guaranteed and FFA loot is not, instanced should have a penalty. PoE is a game of decision making, so having to decide between safe loot vs more loot would fit it quite well.

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Xavderion wrote:

Instanced loot should have a penalty or else nobody would play FFA anymore. People will always take the path of least resistance, and since instanced loot is guaranteed and FFA loot is not, instanced should have a penalty. PoE is a game of decision making, so having to decide between safe loot vs more loot would fit it quite well.

Says the hardcore player :)

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Sickness wrote:

Says the hardcore player :)

Dunno what that's supposed to mean, but I guess I have to agree with him. I think there would be a large majority of people sticking to instanced looting. Although some would prefer the competition of FFA, they would simply have better loot overall going with instanced.

Instanced loot doesn't offer anyone an advantage over FFA loot, there isn't extra loot added to the equation. It just divides the loot equally. The reason to play either style would be based on preference.. FFA loot gives you the chance to get less then your share or more then your share.. instanced loot just gives you exactly your share.

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

Says the hardcore player :)

Dunno what that's supposed to mean, but I guess I have to agree with him. I think there would be a large majority of people sticking to instanced looting.

If people always take the path of least resistance, then no one would play hardcore.
There you have risk and no artifical reward, and people still play it.

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mibuwolf wrote:

they would simply have better loot overall going with instanced.

How do you figure that? It's the same amount of loot dropping.
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In FFA you will also see alot more items to pick up since everyone does not pick up everything; something that is not even worth picking up for one person may be good for you. T

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Drahken wrote:

Instanced loot doesn't offer anyone an advantage over FFA loot, there isn't extra loot added to the equation. It just divides the loot equally. The reason to play either style would be based on preference.. FFA loot gives you the chance to get less then your share or more then your share.. instanced loot just gives you exactly your share.

Huh.

So you're saying:

If FFA drops the group 30 pieces of loot for killing a boss. Instanced looting would ALSO drop 30 pieces of loot and that offers no advantage?

Or are you guys suggesting instanced looting is simply the amount of loot that is dropped is divided by the number of people in the group?