Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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EndOfEnds wrote:

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Crackmonster wrote:

The players who have issues, are those who are less fast then others and feel they are not getting their share of the loot, and it is also those whose builds are not strong enough to stand in the fight - etc etc.

Sigh. Can you not accept that there are other factors when considering the speed of grabbing loot other than the effectiveness of a build to stand in the fight alone? I'm an exclusive hardcore player, and I solo just about everything. I am perfectly capable of standing in the middle of a fight to pick up loot. The problem arises when I am actually unable to pick up loot due to desync and latency from server-side reasons. Until these issues are fixed or lessened (I know there will always be desync in online games), the current loot system has nothing to do about skill and 'bad builds'.

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Crackmonster wrote:

The players who have issues, are those who are less fast then others and feel they are not getting their share of the loot, and it is also those whose builds are not strong enough to stand in the fight - etc etc.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Crackmonster wrote:

The players who have issues, are those who are less fast then others and feel they are not getting their share of the loot, and it is also those whose builds are not strong enough to stand in the fight - etc etc.

I like how you keep proving yourself wrong over and over again. Maybe ignoring me makes you feel better? My templar is far tougher than ANY build that you have ever made in this game. If you don't believe me then come watch me standing in hoards of monsters in maps without moving or come fight me in pvp yourself. So your whole "strong enough to stand in the fight" is completely wrong.

Again, this game is not about skill, your not playing a twitch shooter, get a grip.

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iamstryker wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

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Crackmonster wrote:

You dont get it - masses will flock to the easiest option and they will never turn down the choice of making things more easy and mindless

In the end they will bring their own downfall just like Diablo 3 and the whole of Blizz, not understanding why - they just wanted it to be easier and more mindless

What the heck is wrong with you people? How many times do I have to say it? I'll try again in all caps....

THIS GAME ALREADY HAS PRIVATE PARTIES, WHICH IS THE EASIEST WAY TO PLAY THE GAME!!!

NON COMPETITIVE PUBLIC PARTIES CHANGES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, PRIVATE PARTIES WITH FRIENDS WILL STILL BE THE EASIEST WAY TO PLAY THE GAME.

LOOTING OPTIONS DOES NOT MAKE THE GAME ANY EASIER AS A WHOLE AND PEOPLE WHO WANT LOOTING OPTIONS DO NOT WANT AN EASIER GAME. ITS A PLAYSTYLE CHOICE.

Apparently I can make this argument until the cows come home and the FFA supporters will just ignore it and keep making their lame "The game would be easier arguments". Its like talking to a brick wall.

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derbefrier wrote:

got bad news for ya buddy. There already is a community if you haven't noticed. seems like your completely wrong here. We also have D2 as evidence against that statement. Communities can and do exist with FFA loot rules. try again. Instead of making this crap up cant you guys just admit you want all the loots and you want the rules changed so that happens? I like how your disguising your greed though its clever but its not working. people are seeing right through it.

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Sickness wrote:

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derbefrier wrote:

got bad news for ya buddy. There already is a community if you haven't noticed. seems like your completely wrong here. We also have D2 as evidence against that statement. Communities can and do exist with FFA loot rules. try again. Instead of making this crap up cant you guys just admit you want all the loots and you want the rules changed so that happens? I like how your disguising your greed though its clever but its not working. people are seeing right through it.

You have the highest potential for loot in an FFA setting, so I dunno what greed has to do with wanting loot options.
It seems more likely that it's the people who oppose loot options that are greedy, because it would make them get less loot.

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Crackmonster wrote:

And yet you are here complaining. I dont care too much for you but what do you blame it on? Desyncs, delay, server, being blocked, etc etc?

I've heard it all before. The reason you are here is because your looting skills are below average and it maddens you.

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Vooodu wrote:

People who oppose loot options probably simply don't want that kind of term/mindest taking hold in a game like POE.

Its just sounds lame.

POE feels better as a STFU and DEAL with it game...

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Mibuwolf wrote:

A. no cutthroat league. It's part of the problem, actually. GGG could force cutthroat league to have FFA with no timers and all the hardcore players would play there.

B. Timer doesn't help when your item is stuck due to player collision, nor does it help when a bunch of people run ahead of the group opening chests and trying to race to get more loot period. This leads to people playing for themselves rather than as a group. People currently group up just for the quantity bonus and that is all. This loot issue I am describing ALSO is why multiboxing/multiloading is becoming a more viable option because it just cuts out ALL of the frustration.

C. Not many people want the timer.

D. Not many people want nametags on the loot so you can get bitched at for stealing "their loot". This miscommunication is the developers fault for making the player think the loot is theirs.

E. Loot options would satisfy a larger amount of players and could possibly end this entire debate.

F. There are sometimes over half the games listed with "Ninja=kick". It is cumbersome. Some games don't even have "ninja=kick" in the title and you will be kicked sometimes before the boss. This leads to frustration.

G. This current system is just not cut-throat. It just isn't. White items are cut-throat, but... what about the rest. This timer isn't a solution. It should hopefully only be a placeholder for the devs to solve the REAL issue.

There are possibly MANY more issues with the loot system that are not known to me, but these are the issues that I felt popped up in my head almost instantly.

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Crackmonster wrote:

And yet you are here complaining. I dont care too much for you but what do you blame it on? Desyncs, delay, server, being blocked, etc etc?

I've heard it all before. The reason you are here is because your looting skills are below average and it maddens you.

You could argue that, but you're just falling into a logical fallacy with that. In fact, I think the majority of the 'con' side has been... fallacies.

I (we) have countered I believe all of your major arguments as to why options wouldn't work, but I've yet to the 'con' teams rebuttal.

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Crackmonster wrote:

And yet you are here complaining. I dont care too much for you but what do you blame it on? Desyncs, delay, server, being blocked, etc etc?

I've heard it all before. The reason you are here is because your looting skills are below average and it maddens you.

You could argue that, but you're just falling into a logical fallacy with that. In fact, I think the majority of the 'con' side has been... fallacies.

I (we) have countered I believe all of your major arguments as to why options wouldn't work, but I've yet to the 'con' teams rebuttal.