Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

There are 2 goals here that they need to fill.

Loot competition is not everyone's cup of tea. Many people who like the entire group to focus on clearing speed first, and loot second. That's not what is happening. The adrenaline just isn't there. It was there maybe when I first began life as an exile, but I quickly learned it's a rather boring loot system and a forced one as well.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Some way to limit looting to people who haven't damaged something near the other mobs that dropped loot would be a good idea too.

Maybe. But I see issues with this where single target ability users will miss out on loot.

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Zalhan2 wrote:

Finally loot needs to be higher in cooperative play than solo but lower than competitive Pve. Finally if someone is being piggy you should be able to attack them, I would add that to competitive Pve.

Maybe in cutthroat league, but why default? A lot of what you are saying would be appropriate for Hardcore/Cutthroat league, but I fail to see why a single loot system has to rule over default league entirely.

I guess I just have this understanding that games were meant for fun and how people have their fun is irrelevant to me. I would just offer as much as I can to the players as time efficiently as possible, without going out of the way to serve just a handful. It would be a good thing to see FFA back to the way it was before, and offer some sort of bonus for picking FFA over other options, while giving what a lot of people have been wanting for a long time.

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mibuwolf wrote:

I'm typing troll because you are giving responses without thoroughly giving proper thought into them.

Thats your opinion tho..


I mean lets face it. If you agreed with me you would not be using the term troll. Same goes for every other person who drops a T bomb every two seconds on everyone for anything.

There are people who don't enjoy this game at all who make accounts to indeed troll people.



I love this game.

Im not here demanding change and insulting everyone because i don't enjoy the game. I don't drop the troll bomb on every single whiner who starts asking for a million changes to the loot system or he will lead a mass exodus of players away from the game and starve out GGG from any future donations.


Its funny tho, if only i could type how i really want to type. Im actally doing my best to keep it PG and nicey nice. And this still seems to bother people? lol

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mibuwolf wrote:

You quoted part of it, and only responded to what seemed like a small portion of what I said. If you HAD read it all, then you would mention in your post why you think an "All or nothing" approach would solve the issues that are plaguing the current loot system.

The only thing plaguing the loot system is the timer. You do know this right? Nothing more and nothing less.


You can type out a BILLION page essay on the loot system and il solve it in a few words. Why, because its easy thats why.


Wanting loot options is lame because it makes the game change for no REASON.


People want extended loot timers..? They want people to NOT loot till the fight is over and the crickets are chirping?

They want loot to drop at their feet. Maybe sing, dance and cook them breakfast.


They want this, they want that...


And the funny thing is, when the easy solutions are brought up all the crazy option people FLIP OUT!!!! Like, "OMG STOP".



lol.. I find it funny anyways.

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Vooodu wrote:

And this still seems to bother people? lol

Keeping it "PG" is irrelevant. Everyone can talk nasty without using a single curse word to flame each other. Your posts generally are:

1. sarcastic
2. condescending
3. have a sense of superiority
4. typically avoid main points that are left to be debated

It's not just my opinion man. You don't counter many many MANY arguments and it's either on purpose, or you just choose what to argue.

Look, it seems that you "love" this game, but why do you insults others who wish to debate/discuss? We clearly see an issue with the loot system, but your "deal with it" attitude is very insulting. I don't believe any of us here are demanding change. There are a select few who like to write their disgust with the loot system here and how they will quit, but think of their post as more of a "request" than anything else. Many of us respect that it is GGG's choice on what to do. We merely present facts and arguments behind them to give them a reason to do something about it as well as present ideas/solutions behind the issues.

An example of you not giving a proper response by the way, is the fact that you have yet to describe why options will hurt the game at all. You just state it as fact, and take anything we say and twist it. I have presented already:

A. issues with the loot system
B. why the system could use options
C. how options could NOT alienate the playerbase
D. how FFA would still be the preferred loot option of choice.

If you choose to ignore what I or others say, then fine, but we might as well ignore you.

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Vooodu wrote:

You can type out a BILLION page essay on the loot system and il solve it in a few words. Why, because its easy thats why.

That's another reason we describe you as a troll. We present arguments. You present what appears as "anger", "disgust", "intolerance", etc. There aren't any facts or arguments behind what you say. You merely state it is true and say that we are wrong. THE END. That's just not... how it works. I'm not writing an essay. WE aren't writing as essay. What we write has meaning and substance. If you don't understand what I'm saying, then maybe you should just stop responding altogether and leave this discussion. This discussion is meant to be taken seriously.



So, once again, here are the issues with the loot system, and it is NOT just the timers.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/392/page/744#p2031439

The clear argument behind why "All or nothing" doesn't work:

You alienate a large percentage of the player base that doesn't want one or the other. A lot of people don't want instance. A lot of people don't want FFA. MANY MORE it seems don't want the timer.

A survey would make what I say make a lot more sense I'm pretty positive, but at the moment should be as just speculation.

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Vooodu wrote:

Wanting loot options is lame because it makes the game change for no REASON.

To see that on page 749 of the loot thread... Just wow.. I am baffled.

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mibuwolf wrote:

If you don't understand what I'm saying, then maybe you should just stop responding altogether and leave this discussion. This discussion is meant to be taken seriously.



So, once again, here are the issues with the loot system, and it is NOT just the timers.

Hmmm, you know if i used that exact kind of 'troll' comment and people actually listened to me there would be NO loot issue at all. This thread would have barely broke 200 pages :D.

Have you tried ignoring me? Thats also a 'simple' option. Because you are just wasting time trying to change my personality to suit your taste, that isn't gonna happen.

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Vooodu wrote:

Have you tried ignoring me? Thats also a 'simple' option.

I've tried, but yet to have succeeded. I'll keep trying.

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Because you are just wasting time trying to change my personality to suit your taste, that isn't gonna happen.

Assuming that I am trying to change your personality. I am not. I state what you should do, but you certainly do not have to. Good day.

Now, it really would be nice to have some sort of survey so that GGG could get a statistical analysis of how everyone feels about a loot change. I'm aware that they would like to do something about it, but letting the players vote would give a more clear indication of what would need to be done to satisfy a large percentage of players.

Most of what I have said is speculation on my part, but after observing player reaction myself for awhile now I can see a sort of split between how everyone would like the loot system changed. It's more or less 50/50 on FFA and instanced. One or the other would give the same results; ending with a 50% satisfaction rate. Either way people may decide to leave if not enjoying the overall experiences of PoE. Loot just happens to be one of the main components, but certainly isn't the only one.

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Vooodu wrote:

Wanting loot options is lame because it makes the game change for no REASON.

if No1 forum post with 750 pages and hundred of views is a *no Reason* i hope you never run a company lol you will mess big time

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mibuwolf wrote:

It's more or less 50/50 on FFA and instanced. One or the other would give the same results; ending with a 50% satisfaction rate. Either way people may decide to leave if not enjoying the overall experiences of PoE. Loot just happens to be one of the main components, but certainly isn't the only one.

People who leave would be a good thing.

You can't please everyone. In any true art form this is impossible.


Trying to please everyone will just end up pushing away the true fans.

At a certain point someone has to say. Its just the way it is, love it or leave it.


Also, i keep saying the loot timer is the issuse because it really is.


The loot timer is the focal point of threads dealing with "loot whores, ninjas, longer timer options, people stealing and entititlement issues...

Now, where did that loot timer come from? From GGG trying to cater to ranged players/classes who can't understand how to pick up loot safely and quickly.


So basically, when i say the timer is the true root of the problem, im not bullshitn'.

Also, when i say catering to certain people just causes problems and divides the game, the proof is in the loot timer.



You can call me troll or blind to your points. Well, maybe i can't see past the glaring truth thats right in front of my face.