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TremorAcePV wrote:
- That would defeat the reason people claim to want another option besides FFA. It's to get all the loot. No other reason. If they get the amount of loot that would normally drop divided by the number of group members, it would basically not be different than playing FFA. The only difference really being that they are limited to what they see and can't pick up anything else besides it.
For example, on an FFA run, I usually pick up ALL the blues and Superior whites (to trade in for armourer scraps/Blacksmith's Whetstones/Alteration+Transmutation shards etc). I do this after everyone else in my group passes them, so I'm sure they don't want them. The monsters are usually dead at this point.
What you say makes no sense. How can someone playing instanced get all the loot if it is divided equally amount the different party members by the very definition of instanced?
You're also making it seem like it's a simple choice to pick up items when it's kind of not. Playing a glassier build and running into mobs to get an item before someone else does is much more dangerous compared to someone who is tankier. Nor is there any choice or fairness in picking up whites, such as 5L-6L, when close ranged characters have a huge advantage.
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Posted bycowkingmoo#0656on Feb 27, 2013, 2:11:29 PM
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killbilly wrote:
IN fact guys you are the ones that insult and bully players...i remember you that everyone that dislikes FFA is
a) slow fingered
b) slow minded
c) lives in 3rd world country withh 300ms
d) they hate PoE
e) have no friends
f) have crappy computers
etc etc
from the 2 sides the FFA side is ALWAYS trying to make your facts valid blaming the players
so stop the hypocrisy and seriously CRAWL back to your softcore hole
I like how simply pointing out obivious excuses for complaining about loot drops makes that player the bully. As if that is an insult. Its funny how you choose to leave out the problem of people confusing what loot timers actual intentions are. Or people having issues about when and how other players choose to grab the drop. Thats where the true insanity starts.
Its also funny that you claim that everyone who suppots FFA loot insults everyone. Then you tell them to "CRAWL back into your softcore hole".
I posted one single post in thread and got insulted by three different people. I never singled out anyone, but they sure singled out me. Maybe i should start reporting everyone?
It seems that the majority of these posts are just flame bait. After going back and reading Voodus posts before he was banned i find it very funny that he got the punishment and not most of the regular posters. Even after voodu posts again hes accused of trolling and taunted. Yet, he does neither.
Bad thread is bad. Yet, strangely entertaining.
They have friends in the moderation team. End of the whole story. They can harrass anyone they want in this thread without any consequence, yet Vooodu get's singled out and put on probation. Strange thread indeed but very much the norm on most forums.
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Posted byGinfress#2225on Feb 27, 2013, 2:12:49 PM
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Vooodu wrote:
Like ive been saying. The majority of people complaning about loot are just whiney, stupid entitled brats. Im not trying to be a pick about it, but common.
They think loot timers means their 'property' and fail to understand its concept.
How is that anyone elses fault but theirs?
Ninja this and ninja that but they constantly fail to see all the facts. So, what ever.
While people who can't compete for loot due to actual physical problems i feel for. Everyone can keep on cryin' for what its worth. :D
Bullshit posts like this are whats wrong with this thread. Just attacks and opinions that fail to recognize the legitimate complaints of the other side.
and you call us bullies???
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Posted byiamstryker#5952on Feb 27, 2013, 2:14:45 PM
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Ginfress wrote:
They have friends in the moderation team. End of the whole story. They can harrass anyone they want in this thread without any consequence, yet Vooodu get's singled out and put on probation. Strange thread indeed but very much the norm on most forums.
Why don't you quote people who you think are harassing instead of making vague generalizations about everyone?
The pro looting options people I know in this thread always maturely lay out their side of the issue over and over again. There's no need to yell and insult when you have good arguments.
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Posted byiamstryker#5952on Feb 27, 2013, 2:18:14 PM
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wrathmar wrote:
The problem is that current multiplayer environment provides little challenge. So the Devs must keep the current system so people don’t realize how easy co-op is.
With permanently allocated loot players would just spam AOE and collect loot at their leisure.
That's a current issue with group play being too easy and faceroll, there's no reason to bring looting into this. Boost monster difficulty in parties so that it's still as challenging as solo player. No more problem afterwards.
The two issues are so closely related that you can’t deal with one without dealing with the other.
If they keep the current co-op challenge and switched to permanently allocated loot then multiplayer turns into mindless farming.
If they increase the challenge without changing the loot system then multiplayer becomes even more frustrating.
I’m really looking forward to reading patch notes like.
-Adjusted the monster buff to increase the challenges faced by larger groups
-Adjusted the loot allocation timer to give players an increase time to react to the new co-op challenges.
IGN: Wrathmar * Paulie * Client
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Posted bywrathmar#4456on Feb 27, 2013, 2:38:45 PM
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iamstryker wrote:
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Vooodu wrote:
Like ive been saying. The majority of people complaning about loot are just whiney, stupid entitled brats. Im not trying to be a pick about it, but common.
They think loot timers means their 'property' and fail to understand its concept.
How is that anyone elses fault but theirs?
Ninja this and ninja that but they constantly fail to see all the facts. So, what ever.
While people who can't compete for loot due to actual physical problems i feel for. Everyone can keep on cryin' for what its worth. :D
Bullshit posts like this are whats wrong with this thread. Just attacks and opinions that fail to recognize the legitimate complaints of the other side.
and you call us bullies???
..Meh. I had typed out something different until i read the next post.
Simply put. I stand by my comments.
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Posted byVooodu#7002on Feb 27, 2013, 2:51:24 PM
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iamstryker wrote:
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Vooodu wrote:
Like ive been saying. The majority of people complaning about loot are just whiney, stupid entitled brats. Im not trying to be a pick about it, but common.
They think loot timers means their 'property' and fail to understand its concept.
How is that anyone elses fault but theirs?
Ninja this and ninja that but they constantly fail to see all the facts. So, what ever.
While people who can't compete for loot due to actual physical problems i feel for. Everyone can keep on cryin' for what its worth. :D
Bullshit posts like this are whats wrong with this thread. Just attacks and opinions that fail to recognize the legitimate complaints of the other side.
and you call us bullies???
You know Voodu does have a factual point. Wether or not the words being used to describe it are harsh or not. Technically he didn't attack anyone.
Voodu. Just stay away from this topic. Its nothing but trouble. I swear they are trying to bait you again just because you are easy to bait. And once you take it they will report you. No one likes a straight shooter when they are on the opposite team.
But I agree with everything you said.
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Posted byMrNecro#3599on Feb 27, 2013, 3:00:18 PM
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wrathmar wrote:
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cowkingmoo wrote:
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wrathmar wrote:
The problem is that current multiplayer environment provides little challenge. So the Devs must keep the current system so people don’t realize how easy co-op is.
With permanently allocated loot players would just spam AOE and collect loot at their leisure.
That's a current issue with group play being too easy and faceroll, there's no reason to bring looting into this. Boost monster difficulty in parties so that it's still as challenging as solo player. No more problem afterwards.
The two issues are so closely related that you can’t deal with one without dealing with the other.
If they keep the current co-op challenge and switched to permanently allocated loot then multiplayer turns into mindless farming.
If they increase the challenge without changing the loot system then multiplayer becomes even more frustrating.
I’m really looking forward to reading patch notes like.
-Adjusted the monster buff to increase the challenges faced by larger groups
-Adjusted the loot allocation timer to give players an increase time to react to the new co-op challenges.
The main reason multiplayer is currently frustrating, at least for me, is due to the looting. I would play it for social reasons, even if they buffed monsters so that it became harder than soloing.
That being said, i can't see why the devs couldn't strike a good balance. Easier than solo but not the ridiculous faceroll that it is now. It wouldn't become mindless farming because you can easily die if you're not careful but there is still incentive to group besides the social aspect.
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Posted bycowkingmoo#0656on Feb 27, 2013, 3:56:01 PM
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Lost a GMP to ninja. It feels so good it makes me want to play more in groups...
Please increase the pick up range or remove/fix the delay of when you are standing over an item and not picking it up before you actually pick it up.
Having a slider to adjust your personal timer would be best though...
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Posted byMezzo907#1948on Feb 27, 2013, 6:04:37 PM
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The loot timer wouldn't be such an issue if there weren't such major pathing, desync and graphics lag issues.
Until all of the above are fixed I refuse to join public groups unless it's to steal a quick waypoint or get carried through content. I also willingly grab any and all item drops I can, regardless of whose name was originally on them. If anyone complains, well, screw them. This game is cutthroat, right?
Also, the overall tone in this thread is deplorable. It would be nice if the mods could clean it up, since the lack of moderating is actively contributing to less thoughtful communication of ideas by making everyone feel like they need to defend themselves from stupid generalizations and ad hominem attacks. Of course, if you remove the insults, hyperbole and blindingly stupid arguments this thread would probably die of inactivity.
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