Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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mobutu wrote:

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Jackel6672 wrote:

1. At this point, they would have put the system in place if it was their belief it would be in their best interest. Games been in CB for what, 2 or so years?

Population in closed beta was max. 2k
Population in open beta is like 50k
Games been in OB for what, 1 month or so?

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Jackel6672 wrote:

A melee can be killed in one hit on high level maps.

That's a bad planned melee.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

The reward for killing the mob is XP

You should equip your character with XP, see how far that gets you.
Thats a very questionable statement (to be polite) in a argp where the itemization is (almost) everything.

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cowkingmoo wrote:

This topic has been going on for 650+ pages. And you're telling me that FFA loot isn't hindering the social aspect for a large part of the player base? We get it, you like FFA but that doesn't automatically mean that everyone likes it or there shouldn't be a choice or there isn't a problem.

Another very clear example. Let's say i'm friends with somebody and every time we go out to eat, that person ends up making me pay. Now, lets say that i'm friends with someone in Path and every time we end up farming, he ends up taking all the whites. Do you honestly think i'm going to stay friends with either of them for very long?

Being willing to run up and grab loot from other players, once again, has nothing to do with whether they deserve that item or not. It is based on your opinion/tastes only, has nothing to do with fairness and and from this topic, isn't something favored by everyone.

Rolling a melee character objectively should have nothing to do with the loot system. If they are currently weak, then give them skill and passive buffs. It doesn't mean compensate them with more loot.

Edit: One last thing that i don't get. I have no idea why pro-FFA loot people are arguing so vehemently against the option for options. Let's say that the situation was reversed and the loot was instanced to start with. The developers clearly wanted that feature to be in the game. But a large part of the players on the forums, etc. want a more FFA styled loot system.

As long as there would be an option to play both, i sure as hell wouldn't be wasting my time posting, defending the game's "non-cutthroat" purity like it was a virgin or something. If people want cutthroat, let them have it; i don't mind, i can still play instanced.

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Mneten wrote:

I usually don't mind the current loot system, though another second or so could be added to the timer to go grab drops. I play glass cannon/ranged dps, and have died many times running in to grab my loot. risk vs reward and all that.

The other day, though, i was running docks farms with a public group, just for something to do... i had a chain drop, which would've been nice to get (i'm basically flat broke after crafting a new chest piece) but so many people gathered around the drop waiting for the timer to run out to 'ninja' it that i actually was unable to walk up close enough to pick it up. I ran in a circle around the pile up of people standing there trying to get it until the timer ran out :P i even popped a quicksilver adrenaline flask to run in as fast as i could to get it. -.-

anywho, i was just curious if anyone has recommend making the drops invisible or somewhat hidden during the timer, just so you actually get the chance to pick it up without people stacking on it trying to grab it? invisible may be a little much, though it'd be helpful, but even just generalizing the drop (hiding its rarity and name) so it just displays the drop owners name to other players for the duration of the timer... it'd keep the current system in place, but cut down a lot on the drop camps/ninja bit.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

[What you said.]

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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Jackel6672 wrote:

[What you said.]

I like the idea of that. Unknown rarity would be cool. :)

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TremorAcePV wrote:

"Named" loot, as you call it, isn't allocated to that player so he can have it. It's allocated to account for lag and distance so that all players can have an equal chance in a Free-For-All loot system. The timer fails at this, but not the point.

What everyone keeps suggesting (almost universally) would defeat the actual purpose of the timer. Increased times, instanced loot, invisible loot, etc as examples.

If you want to tell me I'm wrong, that's fine. I'll just copy/paste one of my responses (which to choose from, there are soooo many) again. That is what the timer is for.

The only idea I've personally liked is to hide the rarity of the object from everyone. That'd be nice. I mean, it would actually help the person who's name is on it get it, but that'd be the fault of the other players not caring. No different than it is now for whites, among other things.

Edit: FYI, because of what the timer is for, there is no "ninja-ing" as that implies stealing and that implies the loot was someone else's which isn't true.