Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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yastru wrote:

and do u know what enforcement is ?

loot timer increase

btw, keep thinking that, but youre not hardcore by being elitist dipshit telling people what is hardcore and whats not hardcore.
do you even play in hardcore mode ?

wtf are you doing on this thread anyway when this is for default mode only, for us softcore.

if ure not in hardcore, how can u keep calling urself hardcore ?

That's not enforcement because it's not a punishment.

It would make the game slower, which the devs don't want.

If you want my solution to the loot system, I'd be glad to give it. I just don't like reposting stuff, but, at the same time, I know no one is going to read a 600+ page thread.

I'm not elitist. And insulting me does not help. I'm defining hardcore for you, since you don't know what it is.

Yes, I do. Exsclusively. I'm not good, but I do my best.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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XCodes wrote:

Then fuck them. It's ridiculous for a community to cater to people who aren't going to play the game.

And yeah. I'm done talking to you. Either you are troll, or not the type of person I'm interested in understanding my view point.

The funny thing is, I understand your view point perfectly. I have absolutely no respect for your view point, however, because your view point is "I want to be able to actively destroy the gameplay experience of other players." My counter-argument is: OK. Fair is fair, I should get to actively destroy your gameplay experience, therefore no FFA looting, period.

Do you see why your solution to the looting issue is completely and irrevocably broken, now?

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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yastru wrote:

and do u know what enforcement is ?

loot timer increase

That's not enforcement because it's not a punishment.

It would make the game slower, which the devs don't want.

If you want my solution to the loot system, I'd be glad to give it. I just don't like reposting stuff, but, at the same time, I know no one is going to read a 600+ page thread.

devs shouldnt care if we we stand on middle of map and sing kumbaya for hour and take it hour per monster if needed.
thats why time increase is needed. u see +30 sec per item group, or +20 sec per item, or none at all and decide to join one based on your preferences.
btw, if hardcore you is playing in hardcore, why do u feel need to come to us softcore here talkin about softcore mechanics and saying to us how to play the game the right way?

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XCodes wrote:

The funny thing is, I understand your view point perfectly. I have absolutely no respect for your view point, however, because your view point is "I want to be able to actively destroy the gameplay experience of other players." My counter-argument is: OK. Fair is fair, I should get to actively destroy your gameplay experience, therefore no FFA looting, period.

Do you see why your solution to the looting issue is completely and irrevocably broken, now?

Oh, you said something intelligible. I'll respond then.

I don't want to actively destroy the gameplay experience of others. I want to have the option. I want others to be allowed to do this to me.

But your destruction is absolute. I cannot fight it. I cannot fix it. What I want to allow to happen can be fixed, and prevented.

I'll do it once more, since you weren't here for me to say it 10 times before, we need an enforcement system for agreements. So that people can't lie and willy-nilly screw others over. Like the police. Only different.

If no agreement is made, FFA is fair. Or PVP. Whichever.

It's not.

Biggest issue I have is

Latency when running to it

Being blocked by actual people (Docks I have lost a lot of loot cause i can spam click towards it all i want, but two big mara's standing between me and the loot means never gonna get therhe).

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TremorAcePV wrote:

No. Same boring challenge of monsters and HP. Every RPG has that. This has the unique challenge of facing your fellow players in a unique way. Two very different things.

You do realize that this game will support ACTUAL cutthroat right? You do plan on playing that don't you? This game is also here for PVE players as well as yourself.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

I have a great time playing the game. If people take what I wanted, ok. That's life. I learn to deal with it. You should too.

No one should do something they don't enjoy just for the sake of doing it.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

Like I've said, the game needs an enforcement tool. Already mentioned it.

This game will never have any kind of enforcement tool. Even the other FFA guys would scoff at the idea of an enforcement tool. Actually an enforcement tool is exactly what the rest of us is asking for. If I make an FFA game then that is whats enforced. If I make a NON FFA game then that is whats enforced. Its more choices.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

It shouldn't. But it does. You (or he, wtv) want to change the loot system to give people an option to not be a part of the FFA loot system. That makes the FFA loot system pointless to have. That certainly effects me.

You think FFA is pointless to have unless its the only choice? I wonder why that is...

Kind of sad that you don't think there are enough other people in the game who like FFA and would choose to play it.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

It is. Yes, it is designed to be competitive to all players. Have you not read all the devs have wrote about what they want this game to be?

I said the game itself. This game has SINGLE PLAYER and PRIVATE PARTIES. Single player is NEVER competitive. Private parties are virtually never competitive. So your argument there falls apart. I have read everything that the devs have said. One time Chris said that this game was built for single player. It wasn't made to be only a competitive game.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

No, it is partially due to FFA. It's primarily due to it's cut-throat atmosphere that the devs want. Every other game is either "solo" or "group" but either never or rarely "FFA".

What cutthroat atmosphere? Default definitely does not have a cutthroat atmosphere. Not for single player, not for public parties, and most players certainly don't look at public games as a cutthroat atmosphere. That would imply being able to fight other players. Not stand on loot drops.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

I've already stated many times we need an enforcement for FFA agreements. Not going to do it again.

Have fun arguing with the other FFAers. All they have ever argued in this thread is that FFA is all about choosing what you want to do in a free environment. No one (including the devs) will ever support FFA agreements. People will always be able to betray one another.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

I've never played in Default. If I wanted to do that, I would go play Mabinogi, WoW, or some other equivalent game.

Then stop arguing in a primarily default discussion. The vast majority of people in this thread do not care if hardcore keeps FFA only. Default is where looting options is the most appropriate.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

Well, I have more fun with FFA. I am challenged more. I'd say it's a good edition. The people who don't like it are the same people who believe they are being stolen from by their team mates. Which isn't true. The problem is your perspective. Nothing more.

Killing the monsters is how people feel that loot is earned. That makes complete sense. If a player gets no reward for being part of the team then ya they feel like their teammates are stealing their loot. Thats not at all hard to understand.

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yastru wrote:

devs shouldnt care if we we stand on middle of map and sing kumbaya for hour and take it hour per monster if needed.
thats why time increase is needed. u see +30 sec per item group, or +20 sec per item, or none at all and decide to join one based on your preferences.
btw, if hardcore you is playing in hardcore, why do u feel need to come to us softcore here talkin about softcore mechanics and saying to us how to play the game the right way?

Well, they do. Whether you want them to or not. And it's their game. So tell them you don't. That's what this thread is here for.

Where did it say this is "default only"? It didn't in the original post. I re-read it to be certain. So I don't know what you are talking about. We are discussing the loot system for the entire game. Not just Default, but both Defualt and Hardcore.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

I'll do it once more, since you weren't here for me to say it 10 times before, we need an enforcement system for agreements. So that people can't lie and willy-nilly screw others over. Like the police. Only different.

Pointless to even bring up. Never going to happen.

Edit: Are you seriously suggesting that this game should not have looting options but 2 people should be able to say "Hey lets take our own drops and not each others" AND THEN have the game enforce that!!????

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TremorAcePV wrote:

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XCodes wrote:

The funny thing is, I understand your view point perfectly. I have absolutely no respect for your view point, however, because your view point is "I want to be able to actively destroy the gameplay experience of other players." My counter-argument is: OK. Fair is fair, I should get to actively destroy your gameplay experience, therefore no FFA looting, period.

Do you see why your solution to the looting issue is completely and irrevocably broken, now?

Oh, you said something intelligible. I'll respond then.

I don't want to actively destroy the gameplay experience of others. I want to have the option. I want others to be allowed to do this to me.

But your destruction is absolute. I cannot fight it. I cannot fix it. What I want to allow to happen can be fixed, and prevented.

I'll do it once more, since you weren't here for me to say it 10 times before, we need an enforcement system for agreements. So that people can't lie and willy-nilly screw others over. Like the police. Only different.

If no agreement is made, FFA is fair. Or PVP. Whichever.

It's not.

youre not hardcore too me if you havent played paradox games, return to krondor or eve. this nice little game is nowhere near that level of complexitys so u jumping on other people drops in middle of fight just makes you a dick, not a hardcore player.
lets clear that out, mkay ?

so we need someone watching over us instead of designing way we want to play it ? what, we need a moderator to check every single instance ? why do u want to screw way other people play the game if they dont want that? why is that hardcore to you ?

your logic fails horribly.

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TremorAcePV wrote:

Where did it say this is "default only"? It didn't in the original post. I re-read it to be certain. So I don't know what you are talking about. We are discussing the loot system for the entire game. Not just Default, but both Defualt and Hardcore.

If you only play hardcore, why do you care about default?