Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Panda413 wrote:

If you don't know what the word indisputable means, or believe your opinions about events you know nothing about are indisputable (Blizzard's reason for taking Wilson off D3 - a.k.a. not fired), then why should anyone consider your opinion when it comes to loot mechanics? There are plenty of people in this thread (like Omnivore) that can coherently and accurately support a pro-options loot system.

How does someones knowledge of what the word indisputable means affect his opionin on loot mechanics?

You are making huge leap in your logic only to come up with reasons to dismiss other people opinions. Most likely because you can't come up with a proper argument.

I like soup

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Carbohydrate wrote:

I like soup

Here's a sandwich instead, eat it and like it or GTFO!

edit: nvm again

Fool me once...

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Panda413 wrote:

If you offer up an opinion which includes falsehoods and stating non-facts as facts, why the fuck should someone give consideration to that opinion? You have too high of an opinion of yourself.

If the falsehood does not have anything to do with the opinion, then why the fuck does it matter?

Again, how does someones knowledge of what the word indisputable means affect his opinion on loot mechanics?
Sure, you personally are free to sort someone out because of that (you can do that for any reason), but it still doesn't make the opinion any less valid.
Your logic completely fails here, I'm sorry.

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Panda413 wrote:

If you think anything you or Billy has typed in the last 8 hours qualifies as a respectable opinion, then as I've already explained multiple times - we have a different perspective of reality that is pointless to try to come together on. A.K.A agree to disagree.

I have come to understand that if I disagree with you on something, then all my opinons loses all value. That's completely sane, right?

Here is my reality:
You can have different opinions on what a "good reason" is.
If someone thinks that your good reason for something isn't good at all, that does not invalidate his every opinion.


Here is your "reality":
You can't have different opinions on what a "good reason" is.
If someone thinks that your good reason for something isn't good at all, that invalidates his every opinion.

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Panda413 wrote:

You aren't trying to give feedback to GGG regarding their loot mechanic. You are trying to win an internet argument. Stop pretending to be a martyr. Stop pretending you are more valuable than you are. You are a name on a screen. A name that is only worth as much as the words attached to it. The words attached to yours and billy's name is utter nonsense and bullshit.

Are you talking about yourself again?
From the two of us I am the one who is acutally giving feedback to GGG.
You seem to just be here to argue and spout bullshit. You have nothing but hot air so you have to ignore all my acutal points and talk down to me. But since you don't have anything real to say all you do is look stupid.
It's fun how every refutation of your so called "good reason for ffa-only" has been promptly ignored.

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Panda413 wrote:

I am insinuating that because it's an accurate claim. There is a good reason. I explained it. Nobody stepped up with a rational explanation why it wasn't a good reason. I find it pathetic that a year into this discussion anyone would actually still be disputing that simple common sense fact.

I did dispute it. Are you only reading what you want to read or what?

You explaining it doesn't automatically make it a good reason. I don't know why you think so much of yourself to immediately disregard anyone who doesn't agree with you.

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Panda413 wrote:

If people don't like being told they lack common sense, they shouldn't go out of their way to prove they lack common sense. I guess I could be a nice guy and just ignore them.. but that's no fun.

IMO if everyone used more common sense in this discussion we would no longer be arguing about it and accept that looting options is the way to go.

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Omnivore61 wrote:

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Carbohydrate wrote:

I like soup

Here's a sandwich instead, eat it and like it or GTFO!

Oh, nice, was just looking for one!


BTW, what are those wall-of-text-quote-throwers arguing about?!

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Taipion wrote:

BTW, what are those wall-of-text-quote-throwers arguing about?!

Well I thought it was about the looting system, FFA only vs non-FFA only vs options. Now it seems to be a dispute over the meaning of indisputable and something about Jay somebody.

I just lost a Unique due to latency and who knows what other issues. Some of these larger parties with lots of minnion and mobs can get to be pretty laggy, I have two 580gtx's in SLI so my system isn't the problem. I can repeatedly click on the time and my character will just run to wherever the mouse clicked and I never pick up the item, even sometimes a simple barrel or other object in the way will block my character, and that is enough to loose the item.

Playing a ranged heavy class who is naturally not as fast at running I have a really hard time getting to items, I love playing in groups but I hate loosing all my gear to fast people that are there constantly picking up loot as soon as they get chance. I really hope they at-least add a few seconds to the timer if not give group leaders loot options. I don't understand why everyone is forced to play a free for all type of loot system, why can't leaders be given the option to decide how loot is divied up, would it really be that bad?

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killbilly wrote:

you are TRYING so hard to prove right...that you complete ruin it...
i might do not know programming (you made an assumption) and will not even try to say in and where is work cause it is irrelevant..but i will apply a SIMPLE logic

system a.

mob dies, calculations are made party wide (IIQ/IIR), it throws Z items with X rarity with Y suffixes/preffixes. the loot is on the ground no further need for an equation/calculation

System b.

mob dies, calculations are made both party wide (if there is a variable that alters the rest of the equation) and per party member, it throws Z*K items with X rarity (based on another equation that calculates IIQ/IIR PER K)*K with Y suffixes/preffixes. the loot is on the ground per K no further equation/calculation

You work somewhere with that grammar? With everything you say I can hardly believe you're out of high school, or even then middle school.

There's nothing simple when it comes to coding. It's thousands of lines of text that all perform together over the span of multiple classes which hold said lines of text which are then all held in another and so on and so forth. You keep saying stuff like doing it simply by adding this equation when that isn't all you have to do. They would most likely have to rework the very base of the game.

But of course, I want this, I want that, it has to be this way, etc etc. Don't worry about how much extra work it would be for the developers to implement such a system, as long as they do it because I want it this way.

I already listed a compromise which you instantly shot down without even considering it and said IR loot as option as the only way it should be. I know I'm not the best of people to go on about saying this way that way, but at least I'd settle for a compromise.