Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Panda413 wrote:

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Omnivore61 wrote:

There is zero difference between a properly done instanced loot system and FFA except that the total quantity of loot is more or less equally distributed on a random basis so that no one goes away empty handed and everyone has exactly the same chance to get the best loot.

If you cannot understand that you fail at both logic and math.

PS: Yeah I'm wasting breath again - like trying to have a rational discussion with a wall.

Eating lunch gave me new energy... let's try this again with someone new.

Are you sure you believe there is zero difference in proper instanced loot and FFA other than the things you mentioned? Meaning, if I state an obvious difference you fail to acknowledge, will you admit your point was false? Or would you like to just change your false statement now to "I can't think of any difference"?

Once again, if you missed my other comments.. I'm not saying you can't support loot options. I'm suggesting that perhaps your conclusion has been formed without being aware of all the differences.

Well you obviously missed mine but then again you'd have to read back a few hundred posts, this thread is really unmanageable.

What I am saying is that in the context of loot distribution in a PvE environment there is no difference. FFA does throw a PvP wrinkle into it that does make a difference in some cases - however it is exactly that case that has many people not wanting FFA.

To see one way instanced loot could be done in a PoE style: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/95930 (user interface design for an instanced loot option).

Touché - I jumped in to that one without knowing what you were saying.

Not a bad suggestion as a compromise.

I'm still pro-ffa only -- but I think some sort of change is coming and something along the lines of what you suggested in that thread would be reasonable.

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Panda413 wrote:

I'm still pro-ffa only -- but I think some sort of change is coming and something along the lines of what you suggested in that thread would be reasonable.

Since (seemingly) the only reason you are pro FFA is because that's the way it is, you would obviously change your mind if the devs changed their minds and intended something else.
That's a good thing I suppose.

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Worldbreaker wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

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Panda413 wrote:

nvm - i think that was already enough for today.

Cheers to all!

Did you run out of steam?

No he got sick of being gangbanged by self proclaimed "white knight do no wrong anti-FFA" crowd.

The fact you guys still think IL isn't easier still has me disgusted with the human thought process. If you tell yourself something so much even you start to believe it as fact.

This discussion has nothing to do with game difficulty. Your refusing to listen to the people that your arguing with. I have stated many times that I want the game to be harder, not artificially harder by making us compete against each other. Yet you keep on pretending that we want the game easier. (By the way I never raged at the game being difficult as I have quoted you as doing, you called it impossible.)

I also don't think you have ever responded to my point that the easiest way to play the game is to jump into a private party with friends and NOT compete for loot. So why aren't you yelling at those people that they are playing the game wrong? That they are taking the easy road and not playing the game as intended? Its all very inconsistent.

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Sickness wrote:

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Panda413 wrote:

I'm still pro-ffa only -- but I think some sort of change is coming and something along the lines of what you suggested in that thread would be reasonable.

Since (seemingly) the only reason you are pro FFA is because that's the way it is, you would obviously change your mind if the devs changed their minds and intended something else.
That's a good thing I suppose.

Chalk up another +1 for you know what...

I didn't say it was the only reason, I said I only need to provide 1 reason to prove your theory of NO reason as foolish. And your italicized summary of that reason is wrong which indicates you lack the reading comprehension to even understand the reason I went out of my way to explain as if I was addressing a child.

Arguing with you is pointless because inside your head exists a reality that does not exist in my head. Your brain interprets things it sees to fit inside that reality. So I could type "Duck" and your brain would read "Cow". It's impossible for anyone that doesn't share your false reality to have a rational discussion with you.

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Panda413 wrote:

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It appears you are still insinuating people don't have common sense who disagree with you that there is a good reason to have FFA only. Your talking down to people doesn't progress anything.

However at least your not raging and cussing at me like last time so I guess we are making some progress ;)

Not interested in reading 500 pages of a thread and I'm sure this has been suggested many times, but I just wish that party leaders got the option for FFA or no-ninja loot. Problem solved, and all players can play the way they want.

I fail to understand why that would be such a bad thing for the game.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Panda413 wrote:

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It appears you are still insinuating people don't have common sense who disagree with you that there is a good reason to have FFA only. Your talking down to people doesn't progress anything.

However at least your not raging and cussing at me like last time so I guess we are making some progress ;)

I am insinuating that because it's an accurate claim. There is a good reason. I explained it. Nobody stepped up with a rational explanation why it wasn't a good reason. I find it pathetic that a year into this discussion anyone would actually still be disputing that simple common sense fact.

I get confused by you stryker because you defend the indefensible. Generally points you make that come from you are fine, but you feel the need to defend people that make idiotic posts just because they agree with your end opinion. I don't understand why you do that?

If people don't like being told they lack common sense, they shouldn't go out of their way to prove they lack common sense. I guess I could be a nice guy and just ignore them.. but that's no fun.

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tackle70 wrote:

Not interested in reading 500 pages of a thread and I'm sure this has been suggested many times, but I just wish that party leaders got the option for FFA or no-ninja loot. Problem solved, and all players can play the way they want.

I fail to understand why that would be such a bad thing for the game.

Because then everyone would play the instanced loot version. Not because it's more fun, but because it's easier. Human nature.

P.S.: FFA and ninja loot are already opposites, so your options are somewhat redundant.

P.P.S: My P.S. doesn't make sense, what I meant is that there is already no ninja looting involved in FFA.

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