Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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wrathmar wrote:

Not sure if I follow your logic… don’t they sell decaf coffee?

They call it decaf, but it's never entirely decaffeinated.

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skarrmania wrote:

You sir are a Genius! They should appoint you to head of NASA of something.

Following your logic, I like Coffee but I don't like Caffeine -> There is at last one person, that likes Coffee and doesn't like Caffeine (me). -> Not all Coffee drinkers likes Caffeine. -> Coffee has nothing to do with Caffeine.

Brilliant!

Anyways, I will say it again, for the people who are not happy with the FFA loot, I suggested the creation of an own league with instanced loot. Everyone is happy !

Or whoever wants hardcore and shit go play the real cutthroat which takes balls (and which I will be the second it comes out) and not the "I are hardcore mothafucka, I can do whatever I want with no consequences" default league. But whatever, most of the people in here are as hardcore as my grandmother. When the most difficult game you have ever played is POE, do we need to say more? When you find it difficult and you need to actually pay attention to pick up loot, do we need to say more?

I'm all in at doing the game more difficult. In numerous posts I have said again and again how retardedly easy this game is, how respec points shouldn't be given by quests, that orb of regrets shouldn't be given by vendors (JESUS!) and their drop rate should decrease, DRAMATICALLY, that you should more xp than just going to 0%, that mobs should be much harder than they are now, that the drop rate is through the roof etc. When I have finished mercilles with a 52 level witch with 149 hp, that says it all.

BUT, instanced doesn't make the game easier and FFA doesn't make it harder. OK, I can understand some people are as low skilled as a zombie with dysplasia (most are those in favor of FFA though! who would figure) and claim that picking your items is some sort of skill (LOL!). For those lowbobs yeah, instanced would be easier, but hey, since 99% of them are in favor of FFA anyways, they wouldn't be playing instanced in the first place..

ps1. I'm not saying those in favor of FFA are lowbobs. I'm saying that those in favor of FFA claiming it takes skill / concentration to pick up your gear ARE lowbobs. The carcass of my decapitated dog reanimated as a zombie could easily pick up his gear with the timer in place. So, if you guys say that it actually takes effort for you to do that, you are worse than my dog, that's why I call you lowbobs.

Everyone needs to take a bit of a chill pill and do some supplementary reading about logical fallacies. In short: attack the argument, not the arguer. Name calling and pointless analogies get us nowhere other than in an endless quagmire of bickering.

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skarrmania wrote:

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Dishonor wrote:

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skarrmania wrote:

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I will say it again. Give the softcore aka. default people instanced loot and leave FFA (without timer) in hardcore.

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Your problem is, that you think that FFA and HC is connected. Guess what it isn't. There is nothing hardcore about click more and fast. As I see it. You probably have different view.

Lets resolve that logically. Here is mathematical / logical proof. I like HC and don't like FFA. -> There is at last one person, that likes HC and desn't like FFA (me). -> Not all HC players likes FFA. -> HC dosn't mean FFA loot.

See? Nothing to discuss.

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You sir are a Genius! They should appoint you to head of NASA of something.

Following your logic, I like Coffee but I don't like Caffeine -> There is at last one person, that likes Coffee and doesn't like Caffeine (me). -> Not all Coffee drinkers likes Caffeine. -> Coffee has nothing to do with Caffeine.

Brilliant!

Anyways, I will say it again, for the people who are not happy with the FFA loot, I suggested the creation of an own league with instanced loot. Everyone is happy !

Incorrect. Your chain of logic implies liking coffee does not necessarily have anything to with liking caffeine, not that it has nothing to do with caffeine at all. This is a correlation, not a causation. There are big important differences.

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fevgatos wrote:

When the most difficult game you have ever played is POE, do we need to say more? When you find it difficult and you need to actually pay attention to pick up loot, do we need to say more?

Wow, how come you know so much about me ? Actually the most difficult game I ever played was the Sims...my house burned down and my characters soiled themselves while dying.

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braddrac wrote:

Incorrect. Your chain of logic implies liking coffee does not necessarily have anything to with liking caffeine, not that it has nothing to do with caffeine at all. This is a correlation, not a causation. There are big important differences.

Oh really? Captain Obvious.

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skarrmania wrote:

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fevgatos wrote:

When the most difficult game you have ever played is POE, do we need to say more? When you find it difficult and you need to actually pay attention to pick up loot, do we need to say more?

Wow, how come you know so much about me ? Actually the most difficult game I ever played was the Sims...my house burned down and my characters soiled themselves while dying.

FFA loot =/= harder game
Harder monsters == harder game

But this whole debate is kind of pointless. The Devs are ‘discussing player feedback on loot options’. It is no longer a question of if they are going to change the system but how they are going to change it.

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skarrmania wrote:

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braddrac wrote:

Incorrect. Your chain of logic implies liking coffee does not necessarily have anything to with liking caffeine, not that it has nothing to do with caffeine at all. This is a correlation, not a causation. There are big important differences.

Oh really? Captain Obvious.

Evidently it needs pointing out, as the post you quoted did not contain such a logic gap. You may have disagreed with one of the statements, but the chain of logic was sound. Nice ad hominem though. Really useful to the discussion.

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skarrmania wrote:

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fevgatos wrote:

When the most difficult game you have ever played is POE, do we need to say more? When you find it difficult and you need to actually pay attention to pick up loot, do we need to say more?

Wow, how come you know so much about me ? Actually the most difficult game I ever played was the Sims...my house burned down and my characters soiled themselves while dying.

To set things straight, Sims is actually harder than POE

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braddrac wrote:

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skarrmania wrote:

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braddrac wrote:

Incorrect. Your chain of logic implies liking coffee does not necessarily have anything to with liking caffeine, not that it has nothing to do with caffeine at all. This is a correlation, not a causation. There are big important differences.

Oh really? Captain Obvious.

Evidently it needs pointing out, as the post you quoted did not contain such a logic gap. You may have disagreed with one of the statements, but the chain of logic was sound. Nice ad hominem though. Really useful to the discussion.

"Hardcore has nothing to do with FFA because I play HC and I don't like FFA"

If for you this did not contain a logical gap...I am sorry we have nothing to discuss.