Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Xaxyx wrote:

The pro-RED argument that the game is easier in multi-player is simply marvelous.

Let's even assume it's true, just for laughs. The game is easier, we'll say. The players combine their powers, Captain Planet style. Fine. The players kill faster, gain exp faster, and therefore, as a result of this accelerated play speed, earn loot faster, irrespective of -- or perhaps in combination with -- the +50%-per-player drop rate modifier. Sure. Why not.

Doesn't this all simply speak toward party balance? That the group, as a whole, is gaining a bonus? If so, then how does TORTURING INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS by forcing them to run in circles trying desperately to pick up their loot before someone steals it somehow magically provide some sort of meaningful, useful counter-balance to this game balance issue?

Or, from another approach: let's assume six GREENs get together for kicks and form a six-player game. Being GREENs, rather than experiencing the stupendous, naughty-region-tingling joy of stealing each others' loot, they simply allow each other to pick up the loot that's been allocated to each of them, as it drops. As a result, not only is the whole "ZOMG FFA cut-throat awesomesauce" system neutered, but these six players are also gaining the aforementioned, so-called benefits of group play. Thus, it is possible, right now, to play multi-player, and gain all of its supposed game play advantages, but purposefully avoid any of the disadvantages that REDs claim are designed to counter them.

Seems like a pretty crappy balancing mechanism to me, if it's so readily circumvented. And in turn, this again begs the question: since players can do that anyway, WHY SHOULD REDS CARE if we can simply set up a game to provide this mechanic automatically?

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Worldbreaker wrote:

Why would you force me to play Instanced? Oh you wouldn't force me, I would have the option of playing a harder loot option, why thank you! That would be stupid. In FFA I have to fight monsters AND other players for loot where Instanced players only fight the monsters. You can deny the difficulty between the two, but it is the truth. The reasons people give for the option are clear, except for the typical "Gameplay difference, thats all *trollface*"

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Worldbreaker wrote:

For one million dollars would you clap your hands for it? Or would rather do a 10 mile sprint?
If both had the same reward and you could choose one, you know what one you would do. Instanced or any easier OPTION would have to have a penalty. Same if cutthroat were implemented, it would need a boost for drops, now you fight others and fight for loot and fight monsters.

More risk = More reward.

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Vitacia wrote:

Having it both ways makes perfect sense for me.
Play single player -> get less XP and less loot
Play single player 6boxed -> get same XP and same loot as groups, but immense higher difficulty and no comfort of 5 players helping you killing monsters.

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Ginfress wrote:

Why should te dev-team change loot then, afterall you guys can already play without FFA. I rather see the dev-team work on more important issue's.

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DisorderedMind wrote:

There is no reason for anyone to decide or to punish the way a group of ppl likes to play.

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fevgatos wrote:

So, you have to invent some rediculous retarded argument to prove you are right. Now, you either KNOW that your argument is retarded indeed but still post it in case noone notices, or you are a retard for bringing up retarded arguments.

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fevgatos wrote:

Actually I got about 10 pm's in 2 days saying more or less that they respect my debating skills, my debating skills are through the roof, to stop making everyone look like a fool etc and how incredibly awesome I am.

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Ginfress wrote:

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skarrmania wrote:

After thinking about this for a while, I say give them instanced loot in default. But keep the FFA in hardcore. Anyways, its only baddies that can't move fast enough to click their loot and cry much in forums.

As long instanced loot is of an inferior quality than FFA-loot runs sure. Instant gratification kids these days, always want their loot the easy way.

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Vooodu wrote:

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fevgatos wrote:

So, you have to invent some rediculous retarded argument to prove you are right. Now, you either KNOW that your argument is retarded indeed but still post it in case noone notices, or you are a retard for bringing up retarded arguments.

lol.....Ohhh, the irony of this statement is just tooo funny.


That pretty much describes you in ever single post.

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Worldbreaker wrote:

In FFA I have to fight monsters AND other players for loot