Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Xaxyx wrote:

HOW does it affect YOUR game experience if WE green players can play in multi-player games, ALL BY OURSELVES, without YOU or YOUR ILK, in PRECISELY THE SAME MANNER that we currently are playing in SOLO games, i.e., personalized loot?

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It makes the game too easy. Why play FFA, where you have to fight and compete for your loot, where you have to accept that you can lose sometimes, but also win sometimes, when you can just lean back and let those rares and currency drop right into your inventory?

Your typical player is lazy - that means, he avoids risk by any means (to maximize comfort) and will -in most cases- choose the easy and safe route. By forcing players to play FFA, you are forcing them to take a risk. This is a very strange experience for today's gamers, who are used to get constantly rewarded. They don't "play" video games anymore, they walk like zombies through them. FFA forces those lazy, safe players to actually "play" instead of just join a group and casually stroll around. It forces players to compete with others, to play together with friends, or to make solo magic-find runs.

It actually makes the game more diverse.

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I believe that the problem doesn't lies within the game mechanic, but within the people who complain about it. I believe having the option to fight over loot is a good thing, because it encourages more than just farming in groups all day. It encourages players to try to play solo so they can keep all the loot for themselves, or play with friends so everyone shares. Take that away, and you will destroy solo play and make playing with friends purely optional.

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skarrmania wrote:

You are offering an option that very very few will refuse. Having the choice between having your loot ninja-ed or not is NOT "a choice", who would play FFA? Its like saying to people you can have protected or unprotected sex with a prostitute.

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Xaxyx wrote:

So how, then, would the game change at all for everyone else if we GREEN, solo players were permitted to combine our experience into a multi-player game, still with allocated loot?

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Xaxyx wrote:

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skarrmania wrote:

You are offering an option that very very few will refuse. Having the choice between having your loot ninja-ed or not is NOT "a choice", who would play FFA? Its like saying to people you can have protected or unprotected sex with a prostitute.

Prostitution notwithstanding, we've been assured by REDs of various sorts that they would in fact merrily continue to play in FFA games if such a choice were presented. And I'm more than happy for them. I can envision even now endless fields of RED players, all climbing all over one another, scrambling to snatch up some elusive orb. The image fills me to the brim with joy.

But that's hardly even the point. The point is that we ALREADY HAVE THAT CHOICE, insofar as that we're permitted to play, RIGHT NOW, in solo games. In a solo game, my loot will never, ever, EVER (ever ever EVER ever) be ninjaed by anyone at all. It's mine, all mine, insert cackling laughter here. So how, then, would the game change at all for everyone else if we GREEN, solo players were permitted to combine our experience into a multi-player game, still with allocated loot?

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ManiaCCC wrote:

Psychologically..there is a term for this behaviour..you and people like you want deny other people fun, because you and people like you feel superior to others..you like that people hate it.. you love that you can make "haha you loser" gesture to others.. but in moment, when there will be a option, there is no more space to deny it that you are in fact in minority...and you can't hide anymore with "WE ARE NOT IN MINORITY" argument..

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skarrmania wrote:

I don't see the logic you use to deduce that I imply that FFA is a bad thing.

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skarrmania wrote:

Wishful thinking aside, the game is what it is, FFA works for you or against you, its a trade-off you get by partying with people for an easier game experience.

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Sickness wrote:

That is even worse, balancing solo vs party play by having FFA. The one who came up with that diea should really be taken out the back and shot for the greater good.

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Sickness wrote:

You know, they could just properly scale the mobs so that it isn't so much easier.

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skarrmania wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

If that is true then there is even more reason to add it. FFA shouldn't have been the only option in the first place. If it is so bad that you are implying then it really isn't an issue that instanced loot will become the new standard.

I don't see the logic you use to deduce that I imply that FFA is a bad thing. Wishful thinking aside, the game is what it is, FFA works for you or against you, its a trade-off you get by partying with people for an easier game experience.