Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

They already compensate for range from kill, right?

I do not know if it is feasible, but compensating for ping and fps should be apropiate as well.

As it stands now, party leaders have an enormous ping advantadge and well, GGG has to ask themselves if they want to punish people with less capable machines.

That means people still have to pay attention, but it's not a free meal.

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interox wrote:

In the long term FFA looting WILL cost GGG money. I for one have disposable cash, I'm what the "cough" so called pro's call a casual but I'm willing to part with cash, this game is worth £25 of anyone's money looting issues aside but I will only spend my money for a product that meets my needs.
As the looting stands if the game went gold/f2p I would not spend any money on it ever simply because I'm not happy about the lack of an option to adjust looting per party/group which is a real shame because I'm actually enjoying the game immensely. It's a deal breaker for me regardless of all the game positives and there are many.

Now I'm sure the trolls will wade in with " just don't play or just don't pay" but that does not help GGG in any way. They are a company and need income from customers like me. I suspect after reading 400 odd pages of this thread that GGG have noticed a clear split in what players/customers want. Will they act on it?

STOP THE FUCKING MONEY ARGUMENT. Your reasoning IS retarded. Every single one of us has money and every single one of us has different ideas about the game. They cant please us all. You want instanced loot, I want full free FFA with free PVP in it. Should I say, "GGG either give in to my needs or I'm not paying?" Jesus fucking christ

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Crizaig wrote:

I shouldn't have to create or join a guild to get around a serious flaw in the game.

No, you probably shouldn't have to.

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Crizaig wrote:

Way to continuously fail at bringing a valid argument to the table.

His argument isn't invalid. Creating such a guild would fix your problem.

Also, why aren't you responding to my previous post? Don't have a convenient counterargument prepared?

No, it doesn't fix shit. Since ninjaing is griefing, guess WHAT guilds are the griefers gonna join? The FFA ones, or the NON FFA ones? You might say, well they will be booted sooner or later. Yeah they will, but they will have already looted 10 exalted orbs first. And then someone else join in his place. That's why you CANNOT possibly create ANY non FFA enviroment without the game mechanics forcing it.

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BitmapFrogs wrote:

They already compensate for range from kill, right?

I do not know if it is feasible, but compensating for ping and fps should be apropiate as well.

As it stands now, party leaders have an enormous ping advantadge and well, GGG has to ask themselves if they want to punish people with less capable machines.

That means people still have to pay attention, but it's not a free meal.

No they shouldn't. If you have a bad pc / connection, you cant play ANY fucking online game decently. Deal with it or gtfo. Next time go and whine about instadying in counterstrike cause of ping. This argument makes me chuckle every single time

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fevgatos wrote:

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BitmapFrogs wrote:

They already compensate for range from kill, right?

I do not know if it is feasible, but compensating for ping and fps should be apropiate as well.

As it stands now, party leaders have an enormous ping advantadge and well, GGG has to ask themselves if they want to punish people with less capable machines.

That means people still have to pay attention, but it's not a free meal.

No they shouldn't. If you have a bad pc / connection, you cant play ANY fucking online game decently. Deal with it or gtfo. Next time go and whine about instadying in counterstrike cause of ping. This argument makes me chuckle every single time

in cs you dont fight together against environment, so stop your stupid comparisons

The devs aren't going to pay attention if you only post in this topic you guys. That's why they made the rule of no more new topics about loot, just to shut you up. Now they can pretend the issue is solved.

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Zulgohlan wrote:

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fevgatos wrote:

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BitmapFrogs wrote:

They already compensate for range from kill, right?

I do not know if it is feasible, but compensating for ping and fps should be apropiate as well.

As it stands now, party leaders have an enormous ping advantadge and well, GGG has to ask themselves if they want to punish people with less capable machines.

That means people still have to pay attention, but it's not a free meal.

No they shouldn't. If you have a bad pc / connection, you cant play ANY fucking online game decently. Deal with it or gtfo. Next time go and whine about instadying in counterstrike cause of ping. This argument makes me chuckle every single time

in cs you dont fight together against environment, so stop your stupid comparisons

So in an online game which involves partying you should be able to play with a celeron 386 with 16 mb of ram and a pstn connection. RIGHT

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Terikan wrote:

The devs aren't going to pay attention if you only post in this topic you guys. That's why they made the rule of no more new topics about loot, just to shut you up. Now they can pretend the issue is solved.

This isn't true at all. First off, the devs didn't make that rule; one of the mods, Charan, did. Second off, Charan was essentially following my suggestion; I created a thread called "Moderators need to man up" which complained about the endless topic spam and insisted that moderators move all posts on loot into a single loot thread. Charan replied that the forum software does not support that. What you read instead is Charan making the best out of a bad situation.

Now since Charan was pretty much following my suggestion, let me make my position clear:
1) I want the system changed, although I don't want instanced loot.
2) I am an advocate of freedom of speech and innocent until proven guilty... although, on the other hand, the forums are private property. Still, I don't want mods to "just shut you up," and it's really up to the owners (GGG, not old-timers) to decide what type of behavior they won't tolerate.
3) I think every single dev is well aware of the public outcry against the loot system at this point. I don't think it's even remotely possible to make a post on the loot system that will increase awareness or make a difference. It's already been done, you have already made the maximum fuss possible. If the devs had the slightest chance of changing it before, they will change it now/eventually. So please just give it a rest already.

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iamstryker wrote:

Explain casual. Casual generally means someone who doesn't play a whole lot while hardcore are on nearly 24/7. In this case your completely wrong. GGG does want casuals. This is evidenced in how they are discussing/debating the looting mode issue right now.

If they wanted to make a pure hardcore game they wouldn't have slapped on the annoying timers to attempt to placate ranged/bad connection people.

They are discussing this out of pity/guilt. Not because they want to. They set it how they want and now they are discussing it after the fact.

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iamstryker wrote:

They also would could have let us invade each others games and attack eachother. You know an actual cutthroat game. But stuff like that is optional. This isn't ONLY for the most hardcore players.

There is a difference between a fun cut throat game, hardcore cut throat game and a casual game. A Fun cut throat game tries to keep it cut throat while removing the most brutal of gameplay mechanics associated with being cut throat, a hardcore cut throat game is balls to the walls as cut throat as it wants to be, a casual game is with little or no risk/reward mechanic other then basic elements of what makes a game, a game.

you all proffa cant tell my how ive got to feel while playing a game, when it feels like shit with this ffa loot system in multiplayer, not even a dev could tell me its a superhigh cutthroat feeling, this is ignorance at its best

and if all the guys leave who dont want to deal with the current loot system this game dies very quickly, and no i cant prove this, but ive eyes and see whats going on in and outside of the game, you have to be more than blind not seeing the majority of the gamers want only a fucking option

mfg