Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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iamstryker wrote:

Whatever points that he made were completely killed the minute he resorted to using a second grade insult because he, oh no, "disagrees with someone on the internet". Sort of like how whatever you have to say is now overshadowed by your immaturity.

Call us some more names it makes you soooo right.....

Oh look, now these children are using the fact I called them morons to dismiss what I said. You do realize that by doing that you're only proving my point further? Should I pretend that people who are incapable of using even the most basic logic, and in turn whine about non-issues, like children, aren't morons? Because that's the very definition of the word. This isn't a debate, looting is a non-issue whether you like or not.

There are many reasons not to play in public parties, no reason to play in them though. And they are completely optional. So how the looting in them works makes no difference, you either accept it or you don't use it. If you want to group and care about grouping you can find a good organized group of people to play with, where looting is organized.

Like I said, it's a non-issue.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Whatever points that he made were completely killed the minute he resorted to using a second grade insult because he, oh no, "disagrees with someone on the internet". Sort of like how whatever you have to say is now overshadowed by your immaturity.

Call us some more names it makes you soooo right.....

Oh look, now these children are using the fact I called them morons to dismiss what I said. You do realize that by doing that you're only proving my point further? Should I pretend that people who are incapable of using even the most basic logic, and in turn whine about non-issues, like children, aren't morons? Because that's the very definition of the word. This isn't a debate, looting is a non-issue whether you like or not.

There are many reasons not to play in public parties, no reason to play in them though. And they are completely optional. So how the looting in them works makes no difference, you either accept it or you don't use it. If you want to group and care about grouping you can find a good organized group of people to play with, where looting is organized.

Like I said, it's a non-issue.

non issue for you doesnt' make it non-issue for everyone else....especially when your facts and claims are questionable...

and yes when you call someone idiot or moron he will dismiss whatever you say...cause you know in an argument you do not start with " you morons are wrong listen to MY theories"...this is childish (at least...)

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Whatever points that he made were completely killed the minute he resorted to using a second grade insult because he, oh no, "disagrees with someone on the internet". Sort of like how whatever you have to say is now overshadowed by your immaturity.

Call us some more names it makes you soooo right.....

Oh look, now these children are using the fact I called them morons to dismiss what I said. You do realize that by doing that you're only proving my point further? Should I pretend that people who are incapable of using even the most basic logic, and in turn whine about non-issues, like children, aren't morons? Because that's the very definition of the word. This isn't a debate, looting is a non-issue whether you like or not.

There are many reasons not to play in public parties, no reason to play in them though. And they are completely optional. So how the looting in them works makes no difference, you either accept it or you don't use it. If you want to group and care about grouping you can find a good organized group of people to play with, where looting is organized.

Like I said, it's a non-issue.

Your theories are nice and dandy but are not based on anything with some real weight.. PoE is Multiplayer online game.. while you are right playing with other players is optional, for many players it's basically main point of these games.. they play these games online because they want play with other players.. But when game mechanics is making this very hard or not enjoyable, is their right..and in beta test..it's almost their duty to voice their concern.

GGG already said they are internally talking about loot options and nothing is set in stone. Don't be rude or offensive ..especially even when GGG acknowledge loot system as a issue.

btw.. psychologically, you have problem with your own ego if you need to call others kids, children or morons because they have different opinion. ..just saying.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

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mobutu wrote:

Combat the arguments, not attack the person should be (your) common courtesy.

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ManiaCCC wrote:

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Whatever points that he made were completely killed the minute he resorted to using a second grade insult because he, oh no, "disagrees with someone on the internet". Sort of like how whatever you have to say is now overshadowed by your immaturity.

Call us some more names it makes you soooo right.....

Oh look, now these children are using the fact I called them morons to dismiss what I said. You do realize that by doing that you're only proving my point further? Should I pretend that people who are incapable of using even the most basic logic, and in turn whine about non-issues, like children, aren't morons? Because that's the very definition of the word. This isn't a debate, looting is a non-issue whether you like or not.

There are many reasons not to play in public parties, no reason to play in them though. And they are completely optional. So how the looting in them works makes no difference, you either accept it or you don't use it. If you want to group and care about grouping you can find a good organized group of people to play with, where looting is organized.

Like I said, it's a non-issue.

Your theories are nice and dandy but are not based on anything with some real weight.. PoE is Multiplayer online game.. while you are right playing with other players is optional, for many players it's basically main point of these games.. they play these games online because they want play with other players.. But when game mechanics is making this very hard or not enjoyable, is their right..and in beta test..it's almost their duty to voice their concern.

GGG already said they are internally talking about loot options and nothing is set in stone. Don't be rude or offensive ..especially even when GGG acknowledge loot system as a issue.

btw.. psychologically, you have problem with your own ego if you need to call others kids, children or morons because they have different opinion. ..just saying.

Like I said, if you really want to play with others you can form a good group where people know your loot rules. Playing with random people is known to be terrible on every single game. So why would anyone do that anyway? Even if looting was changed, why would you play with random people?

And psychologically, it's realism, not my ego. Look up the definition or a moron, it's somebody with the mental age of a 10-12 year old child. And anyone that illogically whines about non-issues, I would say has the mental age of a 10-12 year old child. And the definition of a non-issue is something of such little importance that it should not become controversial. As I've explained, looting in public parties with random people is of very little importance.

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Squirry wrote:

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

Why should those who love the current system be punished by having to pay to continue loving what is currently the current system?

More choices only works without issue so long as it doesn't segregate the community involved. Segregating the community of a game with major options like what is being discussed here will essentially be the same as creating & Maintaining2 different games.

The community is already segregated: Those that play in pubs and those that don't. By giving party leaders the option to adjust loot timers from "current" to "infinite", through "double" and "triple", you are not segregating anyone. And you're not making anyone pay anything. The only thing you do is allow the people that do not currently play in pubs to start doing so. Nothing more.

Wasted words though. You have no intention of actually debating anything. You simply want to defend your egoistical need to force other people to play the same way you play, even though it has absolutely zero impact on you. It's incredibly pathetic. And very, very transparent.

Indeed it was my opinion and I may indeed be wrong about my claim.

The more options you have (Multiple timers) the more segregated the community is as you'll have players only playing with X timer, some only playing with Y timer and some playing with Z timer etc.

Adding an option to choose between Instanced and FFA loot means that the community is segregated in 3 ways. Those that play alone, those that play in a party with Instanced loot and those that Play in a party with FFA loot.

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oBLACKIECHANo wrote:

Like I said, if you really want to play with others you can form a good group where people know your loot rules. Playing with random people is known to be terrible on every single game. So why would anyone do that anyway? Even if looting was changed, why would you play with random people?

And psychologically, it's realism, not my ego.

and if my friends are not online or are not playing PoE at all...am I screwed? I have to looking for a new friends evertyime I am online?? One thing..I had 5 friends playing this game..since open beta..none of the are playing it anymore..because of loot system..

It's really interesting that according your words..playing with random is always terrible.. I am sorry..but grouping in D3 or TL2 with strangers was very fun..

I understand that many people love current system.. so don't ignore this argument ..and try tell me.. WHY is bad to provide players options? As you can see, tons of players..and not just new players..supporters..even diamond supporters, long term beta testers, alpha testers, D2 veterans and basically players with very different backgrounds don't enjoy FFA looting.. it's not that hard to see why..so why don't make them happy? It wouldn't affect this hardcore crowd at all. So again..why you are so strong against loot options?

So how exactly is the community being segregated into different looting modes/options worse than the current segregation of single player/private parties and public paries FFA?

At least more players would be socializing and enjoying the game. Whats it matter if its a slightly different loot drop system? How does this affect you?

Public parties is a means to achieving a desirable private party. Public parties aren't meant to be intentionally played for all time.

At least that's how I see it.

its said 200 pages before, and it doesnt affect em anyway (except the ego)

nothing more to say