Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Edveri wrote:

Personally the current loot system makes me not want to group up. The FFA/ short timer loot system just adds stress for me, taking the fun out of the game. Hence I prefer playing SP.


A shame really as I urge to play COOP, but the fact that I need to stress, running fast to get loot, instead of bashing mobs, outweighs it. I play COOP to actually co- operate with other players. If I want to PvP, I queue up for it. It's a shame really - I do really like this game - but the loot system, for me personally, probably will mean the game has less longetivity.

To the people trying to make this a HC/ Casual discussion - please stop. Dedication and how many hours you put in to the game has nothing to do with this. Nothing HC about fighting for loot.

Best solution, in my opinion, would be to add a drop down menu where the party leader decides on loot system. FFA / FFA w/timer / instanced. I really don't see the need for different leagues based on loot system.

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killbilly wrote:

Hard cores can't support a game the history have proved it countless times
I really hope for Poe do not go to that path and learn from the mistakes of others.

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Skjuld wrote:

Oh yes it would "hurt" some people. It's about the same argument you get for FFA PvP. While a minority of people do enjoy and play FFA PvP for its own sake, a lot just like it for griefing.

But here's the catch : To engage in griefing, you need targets. And NOT the guys that love FFA PvP for itself. They're just too thick-skinned and trained. You need regular players to victimize.

Which is why you get endless threads about how bad it was that such-and-such game (usually Ultima Online) introduced "Carebear" servers. Simply because players that did not like FFA PvP for itself and were fed up with griefing flocked there, leaving FFA PvP servers filled with genuine enthusiasts... And griefers without prey.

You get the same whenever a regular MMO has FFA servers. There's a minority a dedicated players (not very many of them) plus an infestation of griefers in some zones. Who prey on people trying out that ruleset and sometimes will come troll on the regular boards (thinking insulting players and accusing them of "cowardice" will somehow prompt them to come and get ganked) They generally don't stray in the regular PvPers territory because they would be KoS'ed and camped.

That's the same here. Offering an option would result in a majority of players choosing the most co-op option, a minority of players choosing FFA because they genuinely like it and lots of griefers without preys.

Which is what GGG wants to avoid. They WANT griefing because they think it's cool and interesting. Go figure.