Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Vooodu wrote:
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CommodoX wrote:
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Vooodu wrote:
some of you kids are begging for.

You call a D1/D2 vet "kid"?
I really hoped your mother has teached you how to behave with other people, but it seems she flawed at your education so badly ....



Trolling me proves nothing.


Voodoo I had seen your post an are all childish and provide not a single fact about why ffa is good..
Now let me give a short tl:dr about the looting situation to all

Ffa cut throat leads to hostile grouping leading to more single player activity which leads to different gaming competition.
And to summarize I can go play crisis single player that feels and look a 2010 game

I can live with desync
I can value gameplay over graphics anytime
What I cannot stand is a company that finds griefing as a game component! Hello I am getting paid for griefing 10h per day I will never pay to get grief. End of story.
When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself
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Skjuld wrote:
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Planetsurvival wrote:

This is a issue currently:
Chris has mentioned that GGG would change the looting "If theres enough interest", yet also said that GGG would prefer to have it Full FFA.


What exactly is "enough interest" ? There have been threads like that, hundreds of pages long for months. But since GGG's stance is to have pure FFA, the simple fact that there are two sides in the debate is probably enough to let them justify sticking to their position indefinitely. Especially since, like I tried to explain, giving an option WILL suppress griefing.

Plus, by letting that issue fester so long, they've imbued it with a lot of emotional investment. Thus the name-calling and verbal fights, the calls for new players to just get out of here.

I think, the more time passes, the more they'll paint themselves in a corner with this. That's a pity, but heck, that's their call.

I personally don't think they will change that mechanism. GGG is probably hoping that, over time, regular players will accept the griefing or become griefers themselves. (Except then, as per your analogy, you would then be left with a big mass of disgruntled jackals :D)



Well i dont know whats *enough interest*, in my PM to Chris it was said that way kinda.
Very vague and "If theres enough interest". :/

Right now its like a slow car crash, Gazells will leave, Hyenas will leave and the lions will remain in a game that cant support itself economically.
I have other games i play and if PoE becomes hyena central, ill just play other RPGs.
Most of the *defences* also struck me as desperate for "Only Full FFA loot", now your post clarified alot more this feeling i got when i read "Only Full FFA loot posts".
I think your the second one to point this logic out though, back at page 280something was someone too showing this griefer analogy.
Hard cores can't support a game the history have proved it countless times
I really hope for Poe do not go to that path and learn from the mistakes of others.

Some peoples believe that we are losing haters... Hello we love more the game than them and do not want to see it fail but truth to be told I do pay what brings me joy not grief
When you judge another, you do not define them, you define yourself
Well, If you've been through a few of the endless mudfights around FFA PvP, the analogy is immediate :) Complete with the usual insults about "noobs", "carebears" and the like.

The only thing lacking is how FFA PvP "enhances roleplay". Which often means you can't pretend being a serial-killing psychopath or gangsta :p
longer timer, perm bound, or go full out FFA, FFA loot always prompted a discussion within the group about loot usually there was a rotation.. now thats gone its random and the timer sucks, so either bind it or free it. makin the timer longer would be a little better too though, but still when all those people are clicking on it, waiting, i cant help to think its messing up something lol

the ninja capacity is on overload
Steam:Gonejah
longer timer, perm bound, or go full out FFA, FFA loot always prompted a discussion within the group about loot usually there was a rotation.. now thats gone its random and the timer sucks, so either bind it or free it. makin the timer longer would be a little better too though, but still when all those people are clicking on it, waiting, i cant help to think its messing up something lol

the ninja capacity is on overload
Steam:Gonejah
Personally the current loot system makes me not want to group up. The FFA/ short timer loot system just adds stress for me, taking the fun out of the game. Hence I prefer playing SP.


A shame really as I urge to play COOP, but the fact that I need to stress, running fast to get loot, instead of bashing mobs, outweighs it. I play COOP to actually co- operate with other players. If I want to PvP, I queue up for it. It's a shame really - I do really like this game - but the loot system, for me personally, probably will mean the game has less longetivity.

To the people trying to make this a HC/ Casual discussion - please stop. Dedication and how many hours you put in to the game has nothing to do with this. Nothing HC about fighting for loot.

Best solution, in my opinion, would be to add a drop down menu where the party leader decides on loot system. FFA / FFA w/timer / instanced. I really don't see the need for different leagues based on loot system.

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iamstryker wrote:


Your anology would be more appropriate to a player who is upset that his teammate is luckier than him and finds better loot. A better anology is a young kid does'nt move fast enough and all of the older kids steal every piece of loot out of the pinata. The kid knows that he was supposed to get some of it so feels cheated.


ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Most of the time if you asked that 'Older Kid' for a piece of candy he would give it to you unless he is an asshole, in which case, you would know to avoid him.

The loot is NOT yours until you pick it up. That has been stated time and time again.
The bottom line is GGG gave us a timer as a courtesy, so that people can get SOME loot, and now it isn't good enough, just like if instanced loot was out, 90% of you guys would complain about not getting party bonuses and how you will only solo until you get the bonuses because there is no incentive to play in groups.

I constantly play with 200+ ping, that argument doesn't work. On very rare occasions does my latency matter at all. Nor does being at range, nor does people standing on loot.

Acting like you never get a piece of loot because of the system is completely irrational nor does that actually happen.
Last edited by Plastic_Cup#2372 on Jan 26, 2013, 4:57:13 PM
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killbilly wrote:

Voodoo I had seen your post an are all childish and provide not a single fact about why ffa is good..
Now let me give a short tl:dr about the looting situation to all

Ffa cut throat leads to hostile grouping leading to more single player activity which leads to different gaming competition.


What I cannot stand is a company that finds griefing as a game component! Hello I am getting paid for griefing 10h per day I will never pay to get grief. End of story.



To you im childish. To any player who loves this style of game im spot on.


Anyways, what you say is self entitled brats who complain about not getting certain loot will play alone instead.

And thats a bad thing because??


Seriously, i actually run my own partys now. One little peep from anyone complaining about drops gets an automatic kick from the party.

I don't care if they ask once/twice nicely for a drop. But, if said player becomes obnoxious its time for a boot.

Picking up random drops is not griefing... If sad players thinks that.. KICK!


Simple as that.. Stay alone and play alone.

If wanted to play a Disney game id play a care bear game id play D3 or WOW. Simple as that.
Last edited by Vooodu#7002 on Jan 26, 2013, 4:54:10 PM
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Vooodu wrote:
If wanted to play a Disney game id play a care bear game id play D3 or WOW. Simple as that.

I love your inability to write postings without some hate speech, priceless. Looks like someone fall off the diaper changing table I guess?
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