Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

Doing a test run with my OB group through acts 1 and 2, it's very apparent that the game needs loot options. For us, it's a FFA option. We gladly share drops as people need them, but it's annoying for someone that needs the drop to wait for the timer to expire. It's also annoying to have the person that doesn't want the item to pick it up then drop it.

Give us the option to make it FFA.

Give those that want a longer timer the option to make it longer (for ranged chars the timer simply isn't enough to counter distance + lag).

Heck, give those that want instanced loot the option.

Or at least the first two.

Please?

Hammer how about it's just a built in feature. Private party (one you actively party with people by inviting them) the timer is low/non-existent but in public parties the timer is longer?

I don't like the idea of switching a toggle on or off but something built in seems to be a good idea.

This is brilliant. Like, this idea is pretty well perfect. Distance from item = time allotted to grab is perfect, balanced, and still keeps it exciting.

I think it would also be cool to make it an option in custom server creation if possible.

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Charan wrote:

You'd think people who are used to very communicative devs would realise that if a thread has reached almost 300 pages without much dev interaction, it's PROBABLY not all that important to the devs.

You can discuss loot options all you like, but in the end, it's their call. Silence speaks volumes.

Your first statement is pretty dogmatic (better word is dismissive) and I think it's counter to the culture the devs themselves have created and which they want to promote. For instance, I think people who are used to very communicative devs would hope that a thread which has reached almost 300 pages without much dev interaction indicates the topic is important to the player base and therefore may deserve more attention from the devs.

However, your latter statement is 100% correct.

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Phaeded wrote:

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Charan wrote:

You'd think people who are used to very communicative devs would realise that if a thread has reached almost 300 pages without much dev interaction, it's PROBABLY not all that important to the devs.

You can discuss loot options all you like, but in the end, it's their call. Silence speaks volumes.

Your first statement is pretty dogmatic (better word is dismissive) and I think it's counter to the culture the devs themselves have created and which they want to promote. For instance, I think people who are used to very communicative devs would hope that a thread which has reached almost 300 pages without much dev interaction indicates the topic is important to the player base and therefore may deserve more attention from the devs.

However, your latter statement is 100% correct.

Good thing I'm not a dev. Maybe I can say the things they won't.

Either way, yes I was a bit dismissive. Sorry about that.

Thing is, this thread is the exception to the rule, the standard. If anything, I think the devs are sometimes TOO communicative and spoil the beta testers/players quite a lot. They start to expect answers for every question, which just can't happen.

My personal opinion of this thread is it's about a year past its use-by date. Chris made it asking for loot options and opinions, and clearly got plenty of feedback. More than a year after the thread's creation, GGG makes some pretty dramatic changes to the way loot works, with the timed allocation, the duration of which depends on the distance from the player when the item drops.

As far as I'm concerned, if GGG does not respond after that change, then it's done. Everything after that is just piss and wind, to be perfectly blunt.

I have no stake in this. I play solo or with friends. I encourage all and any discussion provided it remain civil. But my role here, from this point on, is purely that of moderator.

I hope I won't be called in too often.

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Charan wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, if GGG does not respond after that change, then it's done. Everything after that is just piss and wind, to be perfectly blunt.

So why wasn't this thread locked and every other thread on looting, with a statement from GGG that looting was implemented as intended and that there would never be a change on looting again?

So i read what charan wrote and it struck me as strange too.

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Logic method 1:
GGG has a clear idea and wont budge much on it.
Thus this thread has no need to exist.

Logic method 2:
GGG is intending to have loot style as optional choosing.
Or that the looting method isnt set in stone, and is open for debate.
Thus this thread deserves to exist.

Logic method 3:
GGG has same stance as logic method 1, but want all vocal critique concentrated to 1 thread to falsely make forum posters believe their discussions matter in the design of crucial game elements.

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I would like to think its Logic method 2.
As method 3 is just... a not-nice style of community management.

As much as i respect GGG design choice, i also feel its missing the entire purpose with this game.
To have *fun* with *other people*.
I can solo in a non-online game, i can play that and edit that as much as i want to (Torchlight 2 in this case) and have fun.

And as to why i want to play PoE, its because of the option to play with other humans.
However, as i see it (and many others) FFA loot has serious flaws.
So does the current timer.
And at the end of each line of thoughts i have on FFA or Short-Timer-FFA loot.
It ends with this: "Im getting annoyed, and i wanna quit playing".
And i know im not alone on this anti-fun-feeling.

well only true way i can really protest this ffa is by not supporting this company with my money. Sad really game has so much potential. but single player game it is

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akirra wrote:

well only true way i can really protest this ffa is by not supporting this company with my money. Sad really game has so much potential. but single player game it is

I bought supporter pack myself, for the awesome music and kiwi.
But when thinking about supporting with more money i remembered i already own Torchlight 2 and that i didnt like FFA loot at all.

I thought FFA loot left the building with elvis a long time ago, because of the issues it presents when in a public party.
Though i guess some still cling on to their nostalgia a bit too much, even to the point of not recognizing it as a potential serious flaw aswell as motivation.

Nostalgia is a double-edged sword, it distorts and warps ones senses and thoughts while adding a determination to continue.
Yet sometimes provide fond memories of things other people view as supremely annoying and not fun at all.

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akirra wrote:

well only true way i can really protest this ffa is by not supporting this company with my money. Sad really game has so much potential. but single player game it is

I want to upgrade my supporter to bronze but I am waiting on the patch notes. I’m no longer worried about the loot system staying unchanged going into OB. The rest of the game is fun enough that most players won’t uninstall because of it.

New players are not going to be happy with it and this current discussion will be tame when compared to the OB thread.