Zoom is not fun. It's loot FOMO
" This is the other side effect when they nerf high damage builds. If you gut the base damage of the skill then the skill is worthless. If you nerf the scalers then other builds that use the same nodes get gutted as well. If you nerf the gear that enables it (Deepest Tower Removal Example) Then you gut tons of different builds that needed it to make low damage off meta stuff work. The level of balance the game needs to not have outliers on either side, too much damage or too little, is just out of the realm of being realistic. I think we can all agree shrinking the window will be good but trying to slam it shut will result in a horrible experience for all builds. |
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" " The point of the question is a reductio ad absurdum is to highlight your logic of "If you're not forced to do it, it's not bad for the game". That was part of your response to the points made about state of the game and the zoom meta. So if that's true, then it's true for the divine button. The logic doesn't hold up. No one is arguing that people shouldn't be able to farm faster, or that some builds shouldn't be stronger than others. You don't have to invent new arguments for me. We're making the case that you can push the "higher end" to the point of the meta & balance being worse. That was what I was trying to convey with the hypothetical "50 screen AoE 100 million dps, 20 second map clear" builds. If you think that the only reason people don't want such builds in the game, because of the loot acquisition rate, then we have very different outlooks on what makes a game fun. " You're affected by the character & monster balance, and the expectation of player power regarding that balance. No one cares if someone wants to play longer, we're talking about the immediate gameplay experience you have in combat. On one hand you don't seem to think that balance matters for what builds which do not one-shot the screen, yet you understand balance when there are constraints put on builds that can AoE clear the screen. We should talk about that and stop fixating on the trade economy. " Okay, but let's not pretend like "it's unlikely to happen" is why we're talking about this. It's early access, and that didn't stop people from PoE1 complaining about the game being different. That's likely part of the cause for the visual clarity tanking and the adjustment toward one-click screen clearing. I can only hope that this is a balance they intent to address later. " Not saying the campaign is perfect, and I'm not sure if there is concrete poll data on this. But yes, the general sense I get from engaging with the community is that the gameplay during the campaign is a much better experience than the endgame. And I realize that endgame is in a very early stage and that we hopefully have a good update coming on Dec 12th. People also compare PoE2's campaign to PoE1's campaign and accurately note how easy PoE1's campaign is in comparison. This was part of the fun of PoE2, that it was more difficult and requires you to 'have hands'. I think a lot of people coming out of PoE1 expected more of the easy game they were accustomed to. Last edited by WhisperSlade#0532 on Nov 23, 2025, 2:00:44 AM
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Another person has figured it out. Some need a little more time to think about it.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxxwt5HmNhGufcxBAfBgpdn0l06s8ULnfi?si=KSFsAdKixq8uD-Al And it's just come to my attention, that later in Snoo's stream he actually came across my comment. I'm @AngraBotha https://www.youtube.com/live/PxX2Bbb8ZL0?si=6S4zmYYJvL-o9Yfw&t=5615 Last edited by WhisperSlade#0532 on Nov 27, 2025, 5:55:21 AM
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" Interesting watch, I would be interested in watching a dedicated video from him on this. Espcially the discussion around feeling like a god, visual clarity, and meaningful combat. But he is right on the money you can't have engaging combat without visual clarity. On a another topic it still confuses me how people say "just don't play zoom builds". Since the screen clearing zoom builds affect the balance of the game. Since the only way to kill players is throw ridiculous amounts of monsters and damage on them. Which results in instantly being swarmed killed in 0.1 seconds or just being 1 shot. Even on my SSF build in 0.3 into early/midd mapping I could not see what the hell was going. And I would get 1 shot from out of nowhere. And I though POE 2 was supposed to fix this. I am in the camp of reduce monster density, make fights more difficults. But increase rewards as well so when you defeat and difficult enemy it acutally pops like a loot pinata. I would be fine with feeling like a god, but I feel that should be the end goal after lots of grinding and optimization. Last edited by Zabanov#1474 on Nov 27, 2025, 6:34:39 AM
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GGG need to add hard, challenging, aspirational content. and i mean ADD. not make current alch and go t15 voidstones without juicing harder. they need to add delirium orbs, affliction, juicing scarabs, uber legions, valdo maps, 16.5 etc giga endgame content from poe1. so people gonna trade clear and movespeed for survivability and damage. now this trade is worthless and 100000% not worth doing if you want to play effectively.
no one stack 600% movespeed in poe1 though it is technically possible, the only builds doing it are heist runners who do not need to deal any damage. normal mappers do not usually invest in movement speed on tree, etc. also poe1 has quicksilver flask which they 100000% MUST add into poe2. why people do not overstack movespeed? because in 16.5/17 content damage is needed. and valdo farmers for instance are slow builds with extreme layers of survivability. add adequate endgame, then fix "balance issues". also making all the builds as fast as ranger is mandatory now as alch and go friendly maps require only speed Last edited by SoColdO_O#1989 on Nov 27, 2025, 6:45:01 AM
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" forget about this words. meaningful combat can only be applied during campaign, no one gonna enjoy "no rest for the wicked" clone in endgame. its Path of Exile, not "hardcore" (tedious and with lack of variety and content) game for casualdaddygamers85 like mentioned NRftW |
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" No Rest for the Wicked is still in basically alpha status but okay. And most casuals complained that No rest for the Wicked was too difficult. The Zoom dopamine brainrot is strong in this one. Last edited by Zabanov#1474 on Nov 27, 2025, 7:21:27 AM
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" imagine GGG adding sanctum (the most rewarding league mechanics for people who enjoy meaningful combat, where you need to dodge everything and you even have an option of nohit run rewarding you with giga uber unique item... waaait a minute. casualgamerdads85 who want Path of Exile to become dull, shallow game without endgame content hated sanctum (sekhema) and still cry... the reality is that FOMOed people who say that they are "forced and pressured" to rush to endgame are jealous and want to ruin everyone's fun. great thing GGG will never listen to your feedback after ruined 0.2 no one stops you from PVPing with white mobs even in poe1. make weak "hardcore" build and play. the reality is that 99.9999999999999% other players gonna have their fun while you pvp with white mobs and gain no loot xdddd Last edited by SoColdO_O#1989 on Nov 27, 2025, 8:33:41 AM
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