Performance in the future/at release

Because he never said he wants a small laptop but a nice laptop for gaming with a good screen? read his first post and don't assume shit you have never read.

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Because he never said he wants a small laptop but a nice laptop for gaming with a good screen? read his first post and don't assume shit you have never read.

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Macbook Air:

I7 Processor with 3 ghz Turbo,
4 GB of Ram,
Intel HD Graphics 4000,
5 Hours Battery Life
Screen Size: 11,6"

1100 Dollar

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Toltie, yes, but thats the PC that guy wanted to buy to replace his old macbook to game with it.

I assumed shit, reading your shit, mate.

You should try to make sense, I see no hint on a small laptop, and as a Hint, he wanted something to game with, 90% of all macbooks are SHIT for gaming.

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Macbook Air:

I7 Processor with 3 ghz Turbo,
4 GB of Ram,
Intel HD Graphics 4000,
5 Hours Battery Life
Screen Size: 11,6"

1100 Dollar

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Screen Size: 11,6"

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11,6

I'm confused why this guy wants a laptop suited for gaming,
while mentioning intel graphics, and 11" screens.

It's a piece of shit.

Somebody stated lately that an actual integrated Intel HD graphics on a laptop can handle POE well enough, at least with Windows as OS... and the limited screen can reduce the gpu load even more, compared to the native resolution on actual desktop screens. So I'd expect no bigger problems with a machine like this - performancewise. On the other hand, a portable system with an actual both i5 and Intel HD you can get from around 500€ upwards... if you have not much additional preferences, of course.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

I'm confused why this guy wants a laptop suited for gaming,
while mentioning intel graphics, and 11" screens.

It's a piece of shit.

Thats what I tried to fix... I gave him a cheaper laptop with better processor, a better graphics card, a better screen (broad screen), more RAM and the advantage that a normal laptop can be repaired without problems.

On the other side the macbook air that is incredibly hard to repair, expensive, fullfills no real purpose beside looking good and costing much.

The current Macbooks come suited with a GT 650M, with GDDR5 RAM.

Those are 13 and 15-inch laptops, pretty much the same as any other laptop out there.

That's what you should have linked to.

Now in all fairness, I bought yesterday an ASUS G55 laptop with 3rd gen i7, 8GB RAM, and a GTX 660 w/GDDR5 RAM and a cooling system that'll rape a cat.
The price on that was 10k NOK, whereas the aforementioned Apple laptops go from 13-17K.

Apple is a complete rip-off, but the 650M in it is what you'll be getting, unless you're going for the smallest 11 inchers, but those are MacBook Air, and he said he was buying a Pro.

Apple laptops come in all sizes.

Apple deserves some respect for using GDDR5 RAM tbh, most laptop producers hardly use it at the moment.

So
much
hate.

I see OP's valid points. Game should be optimized to run at lowest at least on ~5 years old PC's.

Also consider that people with budget cards and Intel solutions are already a few years behind the mainstream since those solutions are outdated from the get-go. Thats bottom-tier branded and whole Intel lineup. Those might be good if they are 1 year old, but 3 years old Intel/budget laptop Nvidia/AMD will probably not work at all.

That is quite a good chunk of marketshare. Developer's concern whether they want em to play BUT it would be much simpler to get users by implementing a few UI toggles that tone-down the graphics.

And a few to tune em up :)

Regarding that Mac-PC flamewar. Mac is a valid tool, they still do cost a bit much imho but to some people the price might be worth it. As a tool for the job I could say they do it correctly. All that from long time Windows and GNU/linux user. Their products really are top-notch and cost an arm and a leg :) And yes I still don't approve or like their company policy. Still buying and building PC's. You have to give em some credit though.

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Neikius wrote:

So
much
hate.

I see OP's valid points. Game should be optimized to run at lowest at least on ~5 years old PC's.

Bullshit. 5 years is a long time. You're asking for game developers to stay perpetually in the past because you chose to live in the past. There are requirements like vram, shadermodel, system ram, and cpu horsepower /cores. If you can't meet the requirements, that's your problem.
Do you expect to play a vhs in a bluray player too?
It's thanks to cheapskates and pc illiterates that the baseline for graphics are as low as they already are. Be glad there ARE low settings. As it is already, the industry very much IS conforming to you. Get with the freeking times.

Plus, PoE is frankly very quaint. It's fun, and the graphics get the job done, but it is by no means demanding or taxing. But it does have hardware requirements. Complaining about that... is just stupid.


And as far as Laptops go, they're a waste of money if you are concerned about performance or bang for your buck. A educated and informed buyer gets a laptop for mobility, and convenience, not performance. They are obsolete in an extremely short period of time, aren't upgradable aside from HDD/SSD and RAM and have gimped hardware because of heat and space restrictions.
A 560m for example is about as good as a desktop gts 450 ( which is a piece of crap)
But it's all relative. If you want higher fps, and higher level of eye candy, you have to spend money.
A normal person uses a laptop fully aware of it's limitations, and adjusts the eye candy appropriately.
( I'm referring to other games not PoE. I t doesn't take much to max PoE.)
Please don't go complaining about the industry conforming to your ignorance, when you chose to stay in the past, or buy a Intel gpu, or a 2ghz cpu,
If you chose to be behind the times, and/or use low end hardware.....well, you get low end performance.