Performance in the future/at release

"
modicasolis wrote:
"
redscores wrote:
The laptop I just posted has a good screen and long battery life.... I don't see your point. And if you want as long battery life as a macbook air, just use battery saving mode (the laptop will have the same power as the macbook air then, but you still have the possibility to get MORE power out of it).

Or get a ultra book, has even better battery life and the screens of new laptops are atleast comparable to macbooks, beside maybe retina, but the retina sucks in a way, because if it is destroyed, you need a completely new macbook (can't be replaced).


Screens have stepped up in the last couple years and that Asus has a decent one. It's still got a crap touchpad, though, as the one on that laptop is way too small. Additionally, I lose the capacity to do multitouch gestures, which is kind of a big thing for me since I have my trackpad set up to do a lot with just gestures.

In Chrome, I have several different custom gestures, such as a three-finger swipe up to open tabs (and down to close them), four-finger tap to reload pages, three-finger swipe left/right to change tabs, shift+five finger tap to open my bookmarks manager. And that's not even getting into the dozen or so gestures I use to make Pages and Word a lot simpler to use.

I've been able to create a very optimized system for how I use my computer that is contingent on the multitouch gestures and the headaches and annoyance it saves me is worth the small price increase. And if I get to avoid using Windows as a primary OS, well that's even better because frankly, I can't stand the way Windows operates.

But mostly, I just have a history of real bad luck with technology. Things tend to break, get lost, get stolen. The previous two laptops I had made it a year, a year and a half before they were damaged beyond repair and pretty much non-functional. This one has made it four years with very little wear and tear. None of my habits have changed. The build quality on these things is top-notch, while I've found that the build quality on most laptops is rather lacking. Things break easily and for me, who for some reason is prone to having things break, I'd prefer it to take as long as possible.

But here's what I don't get: The laptop you linked is 977$ when you convert it from Euros. MacBook is $1100. I get a better touchpad, better build quality, better screen, slightly worse graphical capability (that I don't even need), slightly slower processor, a better OS IN MY OPINION, for 130$. I don't see the big deal here.



Okay, let me compare the laptops to give you a rundown:



Macbook Air:

I7 Processor with 3 ghz Turbo,
4 GB of Ram,
Intel HD Graphics 4000,
5 Hours Battery Life
Screen Size: 11,6"

1100 Dollar

Asus X93SV-YZ225V

Intel Core i7-2670QM 2,2 ghz, second generation processor, 3,2 ghz turbo
8 GB of Ram,
Geforce 520 Mobile
8 Hours Battery Life
Screen Size: 18,4"

977 Dollar


Okay, lets compare:

Processor: The Macbook Air processor is first generation, means it is slower even though the stats are nearly identical.

Ram: Double as high (and the notebook has DDR3 ram, you don't know what the macbook air has, its not written in the details).

Graphics Card: The Macbook Air has ONBOARD graphics, you won't be able to play Path of Exile with that graphics card, the Asus has a 520M from nvidia, which is enough to play most new games ATLEAST on medium.

Battery Life: 3 Hours longer Battery Life for the Asus.

Screen Size: HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA, the macbook has horrible screen size. No broad screen and lower quality screen.

Price: Did you read everything? Now you know what is better.


And btw, I am a IT person, educated IT assistent now in apprenticeship as programmer, trust me, apple is a scammer company that likes to show you what you want to see to get your money.
OS: Win 11
Processor: i9-13800kf
RAM: 64 Gigabyte RAM
Graphics Card: Nvidia RTX 4090
HDD: 4 TB SSD M.2
Last edited by redscores#5349 on Jul 15, 2012, 4:02:30 AM
To be fair you can't compare those two.

All 11-inchers have horrible hardware for gaming, they're not meant for that type of thing.
You should know that an 11'' doesn't have the power supply to handle high-end hardware.

The laptop you compared it to is a desktop replacement, with a comparably huge power supply and room for hardware.

Also, the DPI of such a small screen is probably higher or the same as the large screen.

Your last little anecdote about your technical prowess makes me think you're a tad full of yourself.

Now I'm not saying I disagree on your last point, my previous posts ought to show that.
Come back with a decent comparison of laptops, though.
As another IT professional I think you are nuts.

While Apple may be overpriced, their quality is top notch.

Also I don't know any IT Pro who would be impressed by your setup so idk why its in your sig. You sound like a teenager.
Invasion - No Sacrifice No Glory

HTTP://WWW.TWITCH.TV/THISISDEUX
Last edited by Deux#3310 on Jul 14, 2012, 6:51:26 PM
"
modicasolis wrote:
Right now I'm running this on a MacBook from late 08 using Windows 7 and Boot Camp.

It's playable and I usually get around 23-25FPS in combat with a few mobs. It drops significantly with more enemies, like four or more, especially if they're using spells with a lot of effects (like the Merveil's Daughters and their Freezing Pulse).

Now, my computer's quite old in standard years and ancient in hardware years. However, I'm still holding on to hope that by release, I can get 30FPS on a regular basis.

Has GGG spoke about future optimization, more display settings (I'd really like to use shadows, even though I doubt I'll be able to, because of the superb lighting in this game), stuff like that to help the performance on lower level computers?

Performance is fine. Get a real pc.
"
Toltie wrote:

Point? Laptop gaming isn't as bad as people claim.

Compared to desktop ? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes it is.
"
Deux wrote:
As another IT professional I think you are nuts.

While Apple may be overpriced, their quality is top notch.

Also I don't know any IT Pro who would be impressed by your setup so idk why its in your sig. You sound like a teenager.


I never said I want to impress someone with my setup, it is a ancient setup, right now I am building a new setup:

I5 3450 Quad Core Processor,
8 Gigabyte of Corsair Vengeance Ram (1600 Mhz),
Geforce GTX 670,
Be quiet 630 watt silent energy supply,
Samsung Spinpoint 1 TB, 7200 RPM,
Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H Sockel 1155 Mainboard,
Corsair Hydro H60 CPU-Kühler,
Lancool PC-K58 Case ATX Midi


Toltie, yes, but thats the PC that guy wanted to buy to replace his old macbook to game with it.

Deux, what? I never said I want to impress someone with my old PC, it is in my sig for beta testing purposes. And by the way, can you prove that Apple has better quality? because as I remember most Apple Stuff is from other companies (HDDs, SSDs, Graphic Cards, Processors and Power Supplies). And by the way: If you want to pay 300 or 200 dollar more just for "not-proven extra quality but worse performance" you are a moron.
OS: Win 11
Processor: i9-13800kf
RAM: 64 Gigabyte RAM
Graphics Card: Nvidia RTX 4090
HDD: 4 TB SSD M.2
"
DamageIncorporated wrote:
"
Toltie wrote:

Point? Laptop gaming isn't as bad as people claim.

Compared to desktop ? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes it is.

Oooooooh yes you're right, and no one stated the relative shittiness :p
My point was simply that laptops don't have to be as bad as they are if reviewers and consumers took a closer and more critical look at how laptops are built, and demanded a change in the market.

Nvidia and AMD/ATI product-branding is a downright sham, a 630M is far worse than a 540M, a 640M with GDDR3 memory is far worse than a 640M with GDDR5, which is on par with a 650M GDDR3, and these things are rarely specified.
Laptops with AMD APUs are sold with additional discrete cards but are sold with misleading descriptions like "The combination of AMD APU and AMD HD 7670M 1gb makes for a powerful solution for any laptop user", when the truth is they can't be crossfired and those that are crossfired (hybrid) stink worse than their standalone counterparts.

@Redscores, you still should've compared laptops of equal sizes.
Last edited by Toltie#7815 on Jul 15, 2012, 5:51:02 AM
Well, no I shouldn't have, I gave him a suggestion for a better and more useful laptop than that macbook thing and then I compared them, makes perfect sense, pay less, get more. (much more)
OS: Win 11
Processor: i9-13800kf
RAM: 64 Gigabyte RAM
Graphics Card: Nvidia RTX 4090
HDD: 4 TB SSD M.2
"
gesichtspalme wrote:
You can't force people to upgrade their hardware just because you are too lazy to optimize your product.
Every sane dev who wants to be successful tries to get the most performance out of his programs.


I skipped thread but just wanted to say since I run on a 4850 which is three years old already, at 2560x1440 and I'm seeing usually more than 30 FPS and near 60 FPS in the indoor levels (eg. caves and pyramid) this game is already VERY WELL optimized.

I hope it gets to look even better, so the best option is to just hope GGG can add more "low detail" settings for people running on old configurations.
"
redscores wrote:
Well, no I shouldn't have, I gave him a suggestion for a better and more useful laptop than that macbook thing and then I compared them, makes perfect sense, pay less, get more. (much more)

I don't know where he says he wants a small laptop, but he obviously does, so why suggest a large laptop?

Report Forum Post

Report Account:

Report Type

Additional Info