Build diversity practicaly non existent since 0.2.0

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Beffagorn#1657 wrote:

Build diversity was also non-existent the last patch aswell, every class has 2 maybe 3 endgame viable builds if they're lucky. Then there's classes like Warriors that still are stuck with 3 working skills to build into Leap-Boneshatter-Hammer Giants Blood since the release of the game.

Outside of balance outliers, the truth is that build diversity is never going to improve without reducing attribute requirements on gems and gear aswell as grealy reducing the hard requirements for weapon types on many skills.

Half the classes in the game are forced to invest 40% of their tree into attribute travel nodes and/or to path polymath to even have a working build.

Amazon, if anything, is on the better side of the coin of this issue, it's just lightning spear that blows everything else out of the water so there's not much point in running other builds if we're strictly speaking about power and clear speed.

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CroDanZ#1818 wrote:

Currently it's go "Lightning Spear" or go home, because with almost every other skill your clearspeed is way worse.

Yes maybe LS is a bit worse in single target scenarios but this can simply be fixed with skills like "Storm Lance" f.e..

Means while most of the other builds struggle through content (Not all, but most) and many of them require a multiple button combo playstyle, Lightning Spear simply clears multiple screens with just 1-button. ^^

You have to decide for one... do you want methodical combat or more so called "POE1-Style" combat?

Because if around 95% of the builds require methodical playstyle to kill just few mobs while 5% of the builds simply faceroll whole screens with just the press of 1 single button, it completely kills the build diversity in the game.

Esp. if the 1-button builds require way less investment into gear aswell than all the builds that are played according to "the vision". ;)

I'm currious how you want to deal with such lack of diversity in future...will those few builds be nerfed even mid-season or all the other builds buffed for 1 season an all together nerfed for the next league?

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Sinpox#4289 wrote:

that just means there is few way to OP builds for poe2 standards not that build diversity lacks...build diversity lacks more in the sense that skill gems are way more restrictive on weapontype in poe2 then in poe1

but "meta builds" dont reduce the possible diversity of builds, its just that those builds are more like poe1 and everyone wants to go zoom zoom...which is fine if you want that, but thats more a balance f-up then an intended design in poe2 so far i understand the intentions of the devs for poe2...

and everyone should know by now that unless its a bug there is no mid seasons nerfs, which is good and bad.

same in poe1 real build diversity is there non existent too if you take "zoom zoom 1000x divines an hour" in account....its usually around 5 to maybe 10 builds each league that have that tier of "zoom zoom", compared to the amount of skills and uniqes etc its nothing...

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Thesiobhan#4354 wrote:

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Sinpox#4289 wrote:

that just means there is few way to OP builds for poe2 standards not that build diversity lacks...build diversity lacks more in the sense that skill gems are way more restrictive on weapontype in poe2 then in poe1

but "meta builds" dont reduce the possible diversity of builds, its just that those builds are more like poe1 and everyone wants to go zoom zoom...which is fine if you want that, but thats more a balance f-up then an intended design in poe2 so far i understand the intentions of the devs for poe2...

and everyone should know by now that unless its a bug there is no mid seasons nerfs, which is good and bad.

same in poe1 real build diversity is there non existent too if you take "zoom zoom 1000x divines an hour" in account....its usually around 5 to maybe 10 builds each league that have that tier of "zoom zoom", compared to the amount of skills and uniqes etc its nothing...

There are no OP builds currently. There are acceptable builds, and there is the trash heap. "Everyone wants to go zoom zoom" gee, you don't say?? almost like the core design philosophy of poe2 is INCREDIBLY unpopular except with a tiny minority of people.

Also, poe1 does lack build diversity as well, but it's not because the meta, it's because they've been shifting towards the vision as well for a long time at this point, and a few builds escape the vision as outliers and they're playable. It has literally nothing to do with what everyone else is playing, it has nothing to do with the 1000 divines per hour. It has to do with the fact that most builds feel awful until you force it to work with literally insane gear. Sure you CAN run flamedash totems, but the gearing requirement for it was ungodly.

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hem2244#7435 wrote:

almost 50% player base are now LS. this also leads to a dead market for gears other than spears/attack rings.