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You should watch the latest interview and read the patch notes.
0.2e is literally Zizaran's wish list word for word. He said nerf the werewolves - they nerfed the werewolves, he said i don't have sockets - they added artificer's orbs, he said make bleed work on ES and they did it. They straight up bent and given him every single thing that he asked for.
While there’s definitely value in listening to player feedback, I’m growing concerned that we’re heading into “cry loud enough and GGG will cave” territory.
Yes, some suggestions may genuinely improve the game—making progression smoother or abilities feel more powerful can be a good thing in moderation. But when you start shaving off too much of the challenge, or accelerate progression to the point where players are zooming through content, you risk turning PoE into another Diablo 4-style loot piñata. Free loot, one-shotting uber bosses, hitting BiS in a week, then logging off until the next season or rerolling for a few more days of fun. That’s not PoE.
This is exactly why I think PoE2 needs to offer something for everyone—give people who want fast-paced power trips their experience, but also bring in a Ruthless mode for those of us who crave real challenge and slower, more deliberate progression.
They tried ruthless in POE1 and noone played it... ruthless does not work well in a ARPG meant for loot. Especially when they have ruthless drop rates turned down to -10% which is exactly what poe2 is like. I personally can't find a single dropped upgrade. Have to spend 20k gold at the vendor(hence where zizarian was absolutely correct about the no currency problem) also haven't found a single exalt,alch,regal since act1.
POE2 is nothing like Ruthless. Not at all, not even close, stop saying that.
In POE2 the players are complaining about getting too little Exalt orbs in Act1. In POE1 NORMAL you wouldn't see one Chaos orb until Act 3, and in Ruthless you wouldn't even see one blue ring, maybe your first belt would drop in act5.
POE1 Ruthless introduced extreme scarcity into a game which was already balanced around a "rich" economy and completely broke it, you couldn't make any build work, you couldn't sustain the maps, you'd have to grind to even progress the campign.
POE 2 is nothing like that, POE 2 simply has a lower base line of power, there's less player power AND there's less monster power.
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Posted byCpt_Katawa#5469on Apr 11, 2025, 12:06:12 AM
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[/quote] They tried ruthless in POE1 and noone played it... ruthless does not work well in a ARPG meant for loot. Especially when they have ruthless drop rates turned down to -10% which is exactly what poe2 is like. I personally can't find a single dropped upgrade. Have to spend 20k gold at the vendor(hence where zizarian was absolutely correct about the no currency problem) also haven't found a single exalt,alch,regal since act1.[/quote]
POE2 is nothing like Ruthless. Not at all, not even close, stop saying that.
In POE2 the players are complaining about getting too little Exalt orbs in Act1. In POE1 NORMAL you wouldn't see one Chaos orb until Act 3, and in Ruthless you wouldn't even see one blue ring, maybe your first belt would drop in act5.
POE1 Ruthless introduced extreme scarcity into a game which was already balanced around a "rich" economy and completely broke it, you couldn't make any build work, you couldn't sustain the maps, you'd have to grind to even progress the campign.
POE 2 is nothing like that, POE 2 simply has a lower base line of power, there's less player power AND there's less monster power. [/quote] POE2 is less EVERYTHING. are you high? they want us to "craft our gear with no crafting actually involved. that is a joke in itself) i get like 2 rare pieces per full act. both being completely useless... I also can't reroll the loot cause they took that away, then no new loot drops cause again we are basically ruthless, and again NO CURRENCY to "craft" gear drops AFTER act1. im not asking for it in act 1. i am mid way through cruel act 3 and i have not seen a single crafting orb drop besides transmutations and augmentations. THAT is a huge problem.
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Posted bycgzell#4567on Apr 11, 2025, 12:10:11 AM
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POE2 is less EVERYTHING. are you high? they want us to "craft our gear with no crafting actually involved. that is a joke in itself) i get like 2 rare pieces per full act. both being completely useless... I also can't reroll the loot cause they took that away, then no new loot drops cause again we are basically ruthless, and again NO CURRENCY to "craft" gear drops AFTER act1. im not asking for it in act 1. i am mid way through cruel act 3 and i have not seen a single crafting orb drop besides transmutations and augmentations. THAT is a huge problem.
When I hit Act 3 normal, not cruel, I had a full set of rare gear with slots and runes in everything, and 20 quality on my chest armor, without having ever seen a whole regal orb drop. I picked up every rare item, sold some good ones, disenchanted all the bad ones, and i also recycled every socketed item that dropped. And i made sure to buy the items with sockets or quality from blacksmith to recycle for scrap and artificer shards.
I don't remember my exact progression but I sold something worthwhile In Act 1 and bought a pair of Wanderlust boots for 5ex before fighting Crowbell.
Yes you do get less of stuff in POE 2, but you also NEED LESS, the gear requirements are a lot lower than poe1.
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Posted byCpt_Katawa#5469on Apr 11, 2025, 12:20:57 AM
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POE2 is less EVERYTHING. are you high? they want us to "craft our gear with no crafting actually involved. that is a joke in itself) i get like 2 rare pieces per full act. both being completely useless... I also can't reroll the loot cause they took that away, then no new loot drops cause again we are basically ruthless, and again NO CURRENCY to "craft" gear drops AFTER act1. im not asking for it in act 1. i am mid way through cruel act 3 and i have not seen a single crafting orb drop besides transmutations and augmentations. THAT is a huge problem.
When I hit Act 3 normal, not cruel, I had a full set of rare gear with slots and runes in everything, and 20 quality on my chest armor, without having ever seen a whole regal orb drop. I picked up every rare item, sold some good ones, disenchanted all the bad ones, and i also recycled every socketed item that dropped. And i made sure to buy the items with sockets or quality from blacksmith to recycle for scrap and artificer shards.
I don't remember my exact progression but I sold something worthwhile In Act 1 and bought a pair of Wanderlust boots for 5ex before fighting Crowbell.
Yes you do get less of stuff in POE 2, but you also NEED LESS, the gear requirements are a lot lower than poe1.
You still have 5ex to buy wanderlust? that's LOOT.
I have exactly 2ex until Cruel Act4, there is NOTHING, NOT EVEN A CHANCE in the whole campaign that i could craft anything decent beyond 3 affixes. Yes, 2ex cannot buy anything decent in trade.
Ziz and many other players was right in that the only way to get it was from the gambling and pray to rng gods you get something usable. GGG wants us to craft magic items all the way to act 6, what a joke.
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Posted bySaviren#3088on Apr 11, 2025, 1:23:37 AM
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You still have 5ex to buy wanderlust? that's LOOT.
I have exactly 2ex until Cruel Act4, there is NOTHING, NOT EVEN A CHANCE in the whole campaign that i could craft anything decent beyond 3 affixes. Yes, 2ex cannot buy anything decent in trade.
Ziz and many other players was right in that the only way to get it was from the gambling and pray to rng gods you get something usable. GGG wants us to craft magic items all the way to act 6, what a joke.
My freshly created Witch character dropped 3ex before reaching Lachlann in Act 1.
Not to mention that the gemcutting prisms and other stuff also drops left and right. Sure not every character finds a divine in campaign, But every character i played could afford the items it needs to progress.
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Posted byCpt_Katawa#5469on Apr 11, 2025, 1:39:41 AM
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You still have 5ex to buy wanderlust? that's LOOT.
I have exactly 2ex until Cruel Act4, there is NOTHING, NOT EVEN A CHANCE in the whole campaign that i could craft anything decent beyond 3 affixes. Yes, 2ex cannot buy anything decent in trade.
Ziz and many other players was right in that the only way to get it was from the gambling and pray to rng gods you get something usable. GGG wants us to craft magic items all the way to act 6, what a joke.
My freshly created Witch character dropped 3ex before reaching Lachlann in Act 1.
Not to mention that the gemcutting prisms and Alch orbs and other stuff also drops left and right and sells. Don't forget you can sell the extra armor scrap and whetstones, plus the Vaal Soul Cores from Ultimatum can go for a couple ex too. If your characte is really screwed you can farm the lvl 30 ultimatums.
Sure not every character finds a divine in campaign, But every character i played could afford the items it needs to progress.
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Posted byCpt_Katawa#5469on Apr 11, 2025, 1:41:59 AM
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You still have 5ex to buy wanderlust? that's LOOT.
I have exactly 2ex until Cruel Act4, there is NOTHING, NOT EVEN A CHANCE in the whole campaign that i could craft anything decent beyond 3 affixes. Yes, 2ex cannot buy anything decent in trade.
Ziz and many other players was right in that the only way to get it was from the gambling and pray to rng gods you get something usable. GGG wants us to craft magic items all the way to act 6, what a joke.
My freshly created Witch character dropped 3ex before reaching Lachlann in Act 1.
Not to mention that the gemcutting prisms and Alch orbs and other stuff also drops left and right and sells. Don't forget you can sell the extra armor scrap and whetstones, plus the Vaal Soul Cores from Ultimatum can go for a couple ex too. If your characte is really screwed you can farm the lvl 30 ultimatums.
Sure not every character finds a divine in campaign, But every character i played could afford the items it needs to progress.
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Posted byCpt_Katawa#5469on Apr 11, 2025, 1:42:20 AM
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Posted byDreamAgain#4820on Apr 11, 2025, 1:50:02 AM
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Consumers as a collective is always right. Whether its the side of "gAmE iS ToO hARd pLS bUFfS oR nuRfs eNEmiES" , or "gAmE iS NoT hARd ! STrEAmERS RuiNS tHE GAmE amG GGG sToP liSTEniNG tHe WHinNeRS ! maNCHilD vOcAl MInorITY".
The fact that GGG do this changes to "nerf" monsters in act prove that those "whiners" are not the vocal minority, and not making changes according to vocal minority wishes just because they said so. There were problems that players encounter, brought it up in the discussion with the developers and they also acknowledge that, made changes accordingly to solve or lessen the problems.
This game is piss easy, whether its 0.1 or 0.2 , all you have to do is play it like PoE 1 : Don't play things that nerfed, play META build. And that is THE problem.
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Posted bybewilder2#0356on Apr 11, 2025, 2:22:09 AM
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0.2 was never harder than 0.1.
While the numbers on most skills are lower 0.2 also added more support gems which allowed most skills to get more damage than before, also the mob armor was nerfed across the board, everything to do with physical damage and bleed was buffed, Tame Beast allows any class to receive a haste aura from a friendly gorilla. In 0.2 most classes straight up got more power from the get go.
The perception of the higher difficulty was created by the fact that every streamer started playing Huntress as their first character rather than a twink, and the Dex Melee Martial really is a lot more gear dependent than spellcasters. Back in 0.1 almost everybody were starting some variation of Spark Flamewall plus SRS so they didn't even feel what a martial class feels without two iron rings and damage gloves. POE 1 and 2 have Weapon, 2 rings and gloves as the source of your attack damage, and you are expected to have all of them. The spear skills aren't even numerically weak, the Martial scaling simply expects you to have 4 damage items rather than 1. The streamers started their game the hard way chasing the new content, and their viewers followed, all ended up having a bad time.
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* Warrior is just straight up better than before.
* Monk got reasonably nerfed but still very strong, nobody even tried playing monk.
* Ranger is mostly the same, good as ever
* Witch - SRS is still good, the nerf was reasonable. Chaos spells are INSANE, put poison on chaos bolt with contagion and DESTROY the Grelwood werewolves, literally just blasting screens even before you get Essence Drain.
* Mercenary(Witchunter) - HUGE ONE, was good before, received sweeping buff across the board, the class entirely unplayed this patch for no reason. Mob explosions and culling strike, I heard you wanted a faster campaign? People complained about the mob clear and nobody tried to play the class focused on exploding entire screens.
The entire outcry was caused by the streamers chasing the content. They jumped onto a brand new class they didn't know or prepare for and all picked the Amazon ascendancy which only gives the lategame DPS, while Ritualist's third ring is a massive buff in the early game. Yeah the ring is damage, and life, and resistance, at LVL 20 it's far more valuable than Crit. Then they proceeded to have a collective meltdown along with their viewers and bully GGG into issuing a sweeping nerf to the entire game that was entirely unnecessary.
This is actually a very bad incident because if it continues, GGG is going to completely trivialize the game. No POE 2 isn't super mega difficult, the problem is that the POE 1 veterans are refusing to learn the new systems and try new things, like disenchanting the loot for the regals and recycling the sockets for artificer's orbs, gamble all their money away and then complain they don't have gold, not GGG's fault.
None of this is right. Like seriously basically none of it. The "Streamers" did not lead the community, the community was shitting on the game before any of the streamers, while they were all still trying to be positive about the league because it's literally they're job to drive engagement and play the game. They were sucking it up and playing even though they weren't having fun. Their chats however were shitting ALL over the game. The game is not fun. Just because you're easily led by the opinions of others doesn't mean many others are.
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Posted byThesiobhan#4354on Apr 11, 2025, 2:51:00 AM
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