GGG don't forget the customer is always right (mostly).

It really pisses me off hard when people whos literal income depends on your game being good, give you good honest feedback, that has been collected over long periods of time, and you brush them off like its nothing.We're not talking about entitled magicfind manbabies here, but serious streamers like Ziz, Ben, Pohx and so forth.Ziz is literally married with kid, you can't put him in the non-mature category, and Ben literally has poe encyclopedia in his brain.

If theres anything you should have learned over all the POE1 years is to listen to your serious players feedback and quickly.Its ok to test and experiment but when serious guys are telling you shit is real bad, fix it please, and without trowing a tantrum like a 7 year old baby please.

One thing Chris Wilson will always have legendary status is yes he wanted the game to be hard, but when shit hit the fan, he would man up and acknowledge it.Guy knew how to please us.

This product you've released is not even ready for early access, so drop all the focus on it and do something about the game we actually love POE1.Put 2 slaves to develop your "side project" and stop trying to force your own vision to us.We have very good idea what we want from an ARPG.

If you really want to fix your disaster watch Ben's latest video about how POE2 can be saved.

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SirArrr#5172 wrote:

It really pisses me off hard when people whos literal income depends on your game being good give you good honest feedback, that has been collected over long periods of time, and you brush them off like its nothing.We're not talking about entitled magicfind manbabies here, but serious streamers like Ziz, Ben, Pohx and so forth.Ziz is literally married with kid, you can't put him in the non-mature category, and Ben literally has poe encyclopedia in his brain.

If theres anything you should have learned over all the POE1 years is to listen to your serious players feedback and quickly.Its ok to test and experiment but when serious guys are telling you shit is real bad, fix it please, and without trowing a tantrum like a 7 year old baby please.

One thing Chris Wilson will always have legendary status is yes he wanted the game to be hard, but when shit hit the fan, he would man up and acknowledge it.Guy knew how to please us.

This product you've released is not even ready for early access, so drop all the focus on it and do something about the game we actually love POE1.Put 2 slaves to develop your "side project" and stop trying to force your own vision to us.We have very good idea what we want from an ARPG.

If you really want to fix your disaster watch Ben's latest video about how POE2 can be saved.

"The customer is always right" stops being a rule of most corporations once they get big enough, unfortunately.

Then it either shifts to "The shareholders are always right", or in GGG's case, "Our vision is always right".

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Ondrashek06#5795 wrote:

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SirArrr#5172 wrote:

It really pisses me off hard when people whos literal income depends on your game being good give you good honest feedback, that has been collected over long periods of time, and you brush them off like its nothing.We're not talking about entitled magicfind manbabies here, but serious streamers like Ziz, Ben, Pohx and so forth.Ziz is literally married with kid, you can't put him in the non-mature category, and Ben literally has poe encyclopedia in his brain.

If theres anything you should have learned over all the POE1 years is to listen to your serious players feedback and quickly.Its ok to test and experiment but when serious guys are telling you shit is real bad, fix it please, and without trowing a tantrum like a 7 year old baby please.

One thing Chris Wilson will always have legendary status is yes he wanted the game to be hard, but when shit hit the fan, he would man up and acknowledge it.Guy knew how to please us.

This product you've released is not even ready for early access, so drop all the focus on it and do something about the game we actually love POE1.Put 2 slaves to develop your "side project" and stop trying to force your own vision to us.We have very good idea what we want from an ARPG.

If you really want to fix your disaster watch Ben's latest video about how POE2 can be saved.

"The customer is always right" stops being a rule of most corporations once they get big enough, unfortunately.

Then it either shifts to "The shareholders are always right", or in GGG's case, "Our vision is always right".

Agreed, if they want to be the next blizzard they are welcome.But they shouldn't trow a pikachu face when 80% of their playerbase are more hyped to play Last Epoch when their product just got released.Hopefully a wallet punch will sober them up a bit.

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SirArrr#5172 wrote:

It really pisses me off hard when people whos literal income depends on your game being good, give you good honest feedback, that has been collected over long periods of time, and you brush them off like its nothing.We're not talking about entitled magicfind manbabies here, but serious streamers like Ziz, Ben, Pohx and so forth.Ziz is literally married with kid, you can't put him in the non-mature category, and Ben literally has poe encyclopedia in his brain.

If theres anything you should have learned over all the POE1 years is to listen to your serious players feedback and quickly.Its ok to test and experiment but when serious guys are telling you shit is real bad, fix it please, and without trowing a tantrum like a 7 year old baby please.

One thing Chris Wilson will always have legendary status is yes he wanted the game to be hard, but when shit hit the fan, he would man up and acknowledge it.Guy knew how to please us.

This product you've released is not even ready for early access, so drop all the focus on it and do something about the game we actually love POE1.Put 2 slaves to develop your "side project" and stop trying to force your own vision to us.We have very good idea what we want from an ARPG.

If you really want to fix your disaster watch Ben's latest video about how POE2 can be saved.

early access isnt just a released game that you get early access a week early dude. go look up games that ahd early access like BG3 and divinity original sin 2

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BearODactyl88#5214 wrote:

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SirArrr#5172 wrote:

It really pisses me off hard when people whos literal income depends on your game being good, give you good honest feedback, that has been collected over long periods of time, and you brush them off like its nothing.We're not talking about entitled magicfind manbabies here, but serious streamers like Ziz, Ben, Pohx and so forth.Ziz is literally married with kid, you can't put him in the non-mature category, and Ben literally has poe encyclopedia in his brain.

If theres anything you should have learned over all the POE1 years is to listen to your serious players feedback and quickly.Its ok to test and experiment but when serious guys are telling you shit is real bad, fix it please, and without trowing a tantrum like a 7 year old baby please.

One thing Chris Wilson will always have legendary status is yes he wanted the game to be hard, but when shit hit the fan, he would man up and acknowledge it.Guy knew how to please us.

This product you've released is not even ready for early access, so drop all the focus on it and do something about the game we actually love POE1.Put 2 slaves to develop your "side project" and stop trying to force your own vision to us.We have very good idea what we want from an ARPG.

If you really want to fix your disaster watch Ben's latest video about how POE2 can be saved.

early access isnt just a released game that you get early access a week early dude. go look up games that ahd early access like BG3 and divinity original sin 2

I understand your point, but that's how they branded 0.1 so its my understanding it will be in EA until 1.0.

GGG wants to make a NEW game. different from POE1.

instead of players relying on gear to trivialize content, they want players to also have skill on top of good gear.

this is in direct opposition of what most POE1 enjoyers want.

POE2 enjoyers seem to want the slow and deliberate content as opposed to POE1, as it is where the devs want it to be.

POE1 enjoyers want POE2 to be more of POE1 as POE2 was originally promised to be "more of poe1" (paraphrasing).

both these 2 playerbases have solid points on where they want the game to go towards.

so which customer is righter?

lol

Just because someone streams the game a lot doesn't automatically mean they understand what goes into designing or balancing it.
A lot of the time, their feedback is based on what suits their content or personal playstyle, not what's best for the game overall.

The devs are the ones with the full picture, the data, the design philosophy, and the long-term goals. What might look like a bad decision for individuals could actually be intentional and necessary for the broader direction the game is heading in.

And let’s be real, this very vocal crowd, including those who take every word their favorite streamer says as gospel, still represents a small slice of the actual player base.
The game shouldn’t be molded around the loudest voices, but around what makes sense for the whole community.
In fact, more often than not, the devs actually do know better than anyone else what’s good or bad for the game.

Sometimes it’s actually healthy to take streamer opinions with a grain of salt. Instead of crying that the game doesn’t revolve around the needs of individual players or content creators, just enjoy the game like plenty of others already do. And if it genuinely isn’t fun for you, that’s okay too, there are literally millions of other games out there.
Not every game will be for everyone, and that’s perfectly fine.
What doesn’t work for one person might be exactly what someone else loves.

And really, if the design is so awful, why are these same streamers still neck-deep in the game every day?
Clearly, things aren’t as bad as the dramatic takes make them seem. At the end of the day, it’s just a lot of yapping over nothing.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

GGG wants to make a NEW game. different from POE1.

instead of players relying on gear to trivialize content, they want players to also have skill on top of good gear.

this is in direct opposition of what most POE1 enjoyers want.

POE2 enjoyers seem to want the slow and deliberate content as opposed to POE1, as it is where the devs want it to be.

POE1 enjoyers want POE2 to be more of POE1 as POE2 was originally promised to be "more of poe1" (paraphrasing).

both these 2 playerbases have solid points on where they want the game to go towards.

so which customer is righter?

lol

So every fanboys tells us same over and over again. But reality is - they are trying to make new game on exactly same POE 1 engine, with exact same poe mob behaviors, by bumping hp for mobs, nerf everything to death and decreasing defences like you dont have it. you can justify everything, but what i see since december:
GGG droped EA and…went to vacation, left everyone with critical crashes, dupes and op mechanics. Then they fixed like only 2 bugs within 2 month, fixed 1 dupe after week, and left everything till 0.2 . Then they made silly decision to nerf everything to death even it was not used because doesn’t work at all. And now fixing obvious fk ups after each interview, when streamers tells about their fk ups. Like GGG never played in their own game (what was proven by Jonathan and Alexander)

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Ondrashek06#5795 wrote:

"The customer is always right" stops being a rule of most corporations once they get big enough, unfortunately.

This quote has never been correct, as the quote is "The customer is always right in matters of taste."

Yep the customer is always right in matters of taste. you are allowed to not like the game, no one is making you play it.

Also remember most players playing aren't/don't engage with reddit or these forums. they are playing the game and I'm assuming enjoying it or they wouldn't be playing.