Bans for "Unintended" Mechanics? Insane

A thief breaks into your home, steals all valuables, you spot him. He says.

"Chill bro, I was just helping you to test your door lock, its bugged shit, it opened itself so easily"

"I will now help you to sell all your values" "Don't be mad"

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GODOFWARSANCHEZ#4574 wrote:

A thief breaks into your home, steals all valuables, you spot him. He says.

"Chill bro, I was just helping you to test your door lock, its bugged shit, it opened itself so easily"

"I will now help you to sell all your values" "Don't be mad"

0/10 for that analogy

if the developers make a mistake you don't exploit it knowing it's not intended to infinitely fish for mirrors and divines breaking the economy and amass unimaginable wealth + spreading the information showing it off on streams (as some did)

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RaleonNightShado#3282 wrote:

Please, do not ban people for testing your game for you. This will have a chilling effect on early access players.

No one that tested this got banned. People that abused this got banned. There is a difference.



Testing = one time use that can be reproduced then doing a /bug report with the details and never doing it again


Abuse = screen full of deferred gear in hopes of benefiting from it before its patched.

Well deserved bans and good riddance. Another W for both, GGG and us players who play fair.

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Kerchunk#7797 wrote:

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RaleonNightShado#3282 wrote:

Where is the line that constitutes a bannable use of existing non-bugged mechanics?

There is a very convenient concept we can borrow from our legal system to answer this exact question: reasonable doubt.

We just need to ask ourselves: is it possible that any of the people engaging in this activity were unaware that they were abusing an unintended loophole in this mechanic to their own benefit and the detriment of the economy and other players?

The answer is unequivocally and inarguably no. Every. Single. Person. who did this knew exactly what they were doing and chose to deliberately abuse a loophole to gain an advantage and every single one of them deserves the consequences of their actions.

Your argument that "this is on GGG" just doesn't hold any water guy. GGG being responsible for their mistake does not absolve others for wrongdoing that was facilitated by the mistake. If I leave my front door open when I leave for vacation it's still just as illegal for you to walk in and steal all my stuff. The fact that I made a mistake that made it easy for you to do so doesn't make it okay.

Oddly, "reasonable doubt" is a fair point. They knew that this was OP and they still did it. I'm all for what *amounts* to a sense of punishment by removing ill-gotten gains, but this wasn't fraud or theft. Consider my opinion swayed.

I still think there's a question to be asked about using a mechanic in ways it wasn't meant to, which is also exemplified in someone one-shotting arbiter, and is that really much different? It's certainly and obviously not how it's meant to be played. The only difference here was the order of magnitude as it impacts currency, which ends up in arguments about where the line is and that's going to be even messier so let's not.

Still, while conceding the point that perhaps bans aren't unwarranted, your arguments and analogies are awful. No one owned the ritual items for them to be "stolen", nor the maps for them to be "trespassed". There was no law against using items' mods for a court to draw upon an argument of wrongdoing.

Indeed, I'd argue that the analogy here is that this should have been a financial punishment (e.g. wipe their stash) similar to a civil case rather than a removal of freedom/engagement with society that would be from a criminal case, as this is essentially ex post facto - however, it's GGG's game and their terms of service to enforce, so it's worth saying I RESPECT THEIR DECISION - I just thought feedback would be appropriate given the unique circumstance. <3

If this wasn't early access, with something that isn't a bug, and GGG taking days to handle it, I'd be with the rest of you calling for pitchforks, and what they did *was* knowingly advantageous, but the factors around it certainly warranted feedback. The arguments that resulted are... unfortunate. Next time I'll just submit feedback to support. :)

Peace.

I do wonder why OP cares so much if he is unaffected personally by the bans.

On the other hand, this could amount to outright extortion of the situation, forcing people with MTX to make new accounts and perhaps purchase them again.

I just don't see GGG as the sort of company that would do something like that, and I trust that they don't permanently ban accounts without proper cause. Maybe they would mute you without much of a reason, or hit you with a 1 day because you are an ass, but I highly doubt they are permanently banning people who just played the game and used it as a way to make some currency.

They are most likely banning the outliers who had way too much volume, because they are 99.9% RMTing their gains, or account-sharing the entire time to further abuse the mechanic, which are both against ToS.

i just hope they can find all of the abusers who havent been banned yet and ban them... fucking annoying league after league in poe1/poe2 that a very few people fuck over the economy again and again

Hey, but you are supposed to rerol for 0 if its mechanic of the game xD.
Game gives you free slots machine, you obviously roll it.

I don't see a glitch. Unless it never should be 0 or endless, but how as player should I know?

Half of the game is not explained to me properly. xD

I still don't know if that gem or this game stacks with each other.

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Kashou#2868 wrote:

Don't ruin the league for everyone else and you don't get banned.

Unfortunately this is the truth. While this game is in beta and we're supposed to be playing to find these exploits (and report them), destroying the economy by flooding the market with infinite currency affects more than just you. This is tantamount to griefing.