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No, most people want to feel like their time isn't disrespected.
I'm sorry but I'm having a massive issue comprehending this because I consider playing a game a waste of time. Does a movie disrespect your time? A card game? I don't understand what that means.
As for the rest. It's all down to taste, and taste is not facts. It's subjective. I like the pacing of the game. If it's too fast and trivial it's boring. Literally no fun at all. No journey, no progression. Just constant blast god mode. Boring.
It depends on the movie. I'd say a Uwe Boll movie disrespects my time, yes. I'd say the Oregan Trail Card Game disrespects my time, yes. I think you know what it means, you're just being dense to defend a weak position, but to give you the benefit of the doubt: it means the amount of entertainment to be gleaned is sharply disproportionate to how much time or effort is needed to get it. Wailing on a boss for 20 minutes that has no deviation to its patterns and largely exists to waste your time with extraordinarily minimal reward for actually killing it is, in fact, disrespectful of most people's time.
Playing video games isn't a waste of time. It should never be considered one and that might be part of the problem. Decompressing, entertaining yourself, distracting yourself for a little while when the time permits, engaging in a social experience, or any other number of reasons one would play a video game are good and valid reasons to do so. The tangible benefit is to your mental health - or at least ought to be.
This isn't just a 'taste' thing; this is more an inexperience with other games thing, I think. There are games that are slow paced, require significant skill building, and give a large amount of resistance while still being very gratifying experiences to play through. There are also games that are extremely fast paced along with all of that. POE2 offers nothing novel to the greater landscape of gaming, and tries to marry a dude-killer action RPG with the damage sponges of a budget PS2 hallway brawler. Except it isn't nearly as good as GodHand. Not even close.
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Posted byTrilkin#7788on Apr 7, 2025, 7:51:00 PM
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The pace isn't the problem. The reward for the pace is the problem, and how often you have to actually completely stop progression in order to outlevel something if you're unlucky is ridiculous during the campaign. The campaign should be the fun, onboarding part of the game, not the miserable part of it.
I agree with this completely, but pace is most definitely the problem. It's only a problem because THAT is what they want ALL of it to feel like. "The Vision" is the whole thing, not just the campaign. In a well made game you never HAVE to out level an area.
ARPGs always start off with the exact pace and campaign you are thinking of. It's how you prepare the player for THE REAL game, which normally is nothing like the campaign. It's what MAKES a good game.
I'm saying this because the Journey teaches you more than the reward. It also says a lot about the reward, and the people who make the reward.
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Posted byMotomoto#6136on Apr 7, 2025, 8:28:30 PM
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No, most people want to feel like their time isn't disrespected.
I'm sorry but I'm having a massive issue comprehending this because I consider playing a game a waste of time. Does a movie disrespect your time? A card game? I don't understand what that means.
As for the rest. It's all down to taste, and taste is not facts. It's subjective. I like the pacing of the game. If it's too fast and trivial it's boring. Literally no fun at all. No journey, no progression. Just constant blast god mode. Boring.
It depends on the movie. I'd say a Uwe Boll movie disrespects my time, yes. I'd say the Oregan Trail Card Game disrespects my time, yes. I think you know what it means, you're just being dense to defend a weak position, but to give you the benefit of the doubt: it means the amount of entertainment to be gleaned is sharply disproportionate to how much time or effort is needed to get it. Wailing on a boss for 20 minutes that has no deviation to its patterns and largely exists to waste your time with extraordinarily minimal reward for actually killing it is, in fact, disrespectful of most people's time.
Playing video games isn't a waste of time. It should never be considered one and that might be part of the problem. Decompressing, entertaining yourself, distracting yourself for a little while when the time permits, engaging in a social experience, or any other number of reasons one would play a video game are good and valid reasons to do so. The tangible benefit is to your mental health - or at least ought to be.
This isn't just a 'taste' thing; this is more an inexperience with other games thing, I think. There are games that are slow paced, require significant skill building, and give a large amount of resistance while still being very gratifying experiences to play through. There are also games that are extremely fast paced along with all of that. POE2 offers nothing novel to the greater landscape of gaming, and tries to marry a dude-killer action RPG with the damage sponges of a budget PS2 hallway brawler. Except it isn't nearly as good as GodHand. Not even close.
FACTS!!!!
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Posted byMotomoto#6136on Apr 7, 2025, 8:30:03 PM
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This isn't just a 'taste' thing; this is more an inexperience with other games thing, I think.
I'll be 45 this year and I guarantee you would struggle to name an ARPG I haven't played and yet I'm somehow enjoying PoE2 more than any game I've played ARPG or otherwise in recent memory.
Like you can stack paragraphs on paragraphs all day dude I promise you that you're never going to figure out the right combination of words to convince everyone that you're personal subjective opinion is actually the correct one and everyone who doesn't share it just hasn't figured out why they're wrong yet.
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Posted byKerchunk#7797on Apr 7, 2025, 8:36:01 PM
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This isn't just a 'taste' thing; this is more an inexperience with other games thing, I think.
I'll be 45 this year and I guarantee you would struggle to name an ARPG I haven't played and yet I'm somehow enjoying PoE2 more than any game I've played ARPG or otherwise in recent memory.
Like you can stack paragraphs on paragraphs all day dude I promise you that you're never going to figure out the right combination of words to convince everyone that you're personal subjective opinion is actually the correct one and everyone who doesn't share it just hasn't figured out why they're wrong yet.
It's not just a personal subjective opinion anymore. It's everywhere if you ask the right questions, look for it and are open to hearing about it.
You seem locked in your ways. You wouldn't stop playing if they change it. Shouldn't you be playing the game?
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Posted byMotomoto#6136on Apr 7, 2025, 9:05:25 PM
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It's not just a personal subjective opinion anymore.
My guy I promise you that it is and always has been and will continue to be.
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It's everywhere if you ask the right questions, look for it and are open to hearing about it.
Are you the same guy I had to explain confirmation bias to this morning?
It's not "everywhere" and it's certainly not from everyone - because the overwhelming majority of players do not share their opinions in any form. The content you are consuming is coming from a vocal minority of players that represent a single-digit percentage of the total player population.
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You seem locked in your ways. You wouldn't stop playing if they change it. Shouldn't you be playing the game?
I have two monitors Francis.
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Posted byKerchunk#7797on Apr 7, 2025, 9:28:44 PM
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