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"The development of PoE2 will not affect the development of PoE1 in any way. They are handled by different teams."
"An aspirant can afford to be promising. An emperor must keep those promises."
"For those who ascend too quickly, the fall is inevitable."
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Posted byBebehercio#4402on Jan 30, 2025, 11:41:31 AM
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I see everyone upset, but PoE2 being their main focus and delaying anything else is the correct move to make. It makes sense from a business perspective, as well as whats best for the player-base, regardless of what certain people may think or post on here. It speaks to them paying attention and not just following through on decisions they made years ago, that wouldn't hold up well now. Pulling the PoE1 team for the benefit of PoE2 is a long-term move and one that is good to make for the future.
PoE2 has the potential for a much higher player count consistently, better design, better vision and overall a better experience. I love PoE1, but it definitely shows it age. To continue to pour resources into PoE1 would have been a mistake. The reception for PoE2, even in early access, is much better than PoE1 ever was. The numbers alone speak to that, as the retention a month into PoE2 EA was over 300k, which is much higher than PoE1 ever reached.
Overall its just the right decision. You have far more players interested in PoE2 at this point and its the game that has the potential for the future. PoE1 was great while it lasted, but it's time to move on. If PoE1 does stick around, I could see it getting a new league every 6 months at best, as anything more than that is unrealistic and hopefully they just let it die.
Don't pay attention to people too emotionally attached to a video game. You'll see plenty of interesting (hilarious) posts to read. These people think the devs are their friends and they were betrayed. Sad to see so many people displaying parasocial behavior over a video game and just weird.
I agree with you, the toxicity towards the devs is absolutely insane behaviour, I can't believe all the ragey people are actual adults.
Toxicity? LOL. Asking for updates, a roadmap, or some sort of communication is toxic. Giving honest feedback is toxic. Whats toxic is the toxic positivity from people who want to protect the devs from any criticism.
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Posted byki784340143#8116on Jan 30, 2025, 11:44:51 AM
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I see everyone upset, but PoE2 being their main focus and delaying anything else is the correct move to make. It makes sense from a business perspective, as well as whats best for the player-base, regardless of what certain people may think or post on here. It speaks to them paying attention and not just following through on decisions they made years ago, that wouldn't hold up well now. Pulling the PoE1 team for the benefit of PoE2 is a long-term move and one that is good to make for the future.
PoE2 has the potential for a much higher player count consistently, better design, better vision and overall a better experience. I love PoE1, but it definitely shows it age. To continue to pour resources into PoE1 would have been a mistake. The reception for PoE2, even in early access, is much better than PoE1 ever was. The numbers alone speak to that, as the retention a month into PoE2 EA was over 300k, which is much higher than PoE1 ever reached.
Overall its just the right decision. You have far more players interested in PoE2 at this point and its the game that has the potential for the future. PoE1 was great while it lasted, but it's time to move on. If PoE1 does stick around, I could see it getting a new league every 6 months at best, as anything more than that is unrealistic and hopefully they just let it die.
Don't pay attention to people too emotionally attached to a video game. You'll see plenty of interesting (hilarious) posts to read. These people think the devs are their friends and they were betrayed. Sad to see so many people displaying parasocial behavior over a video game and just weird.
I agree with you, the toxicity towards the devs is absolutely insane behaviour, I can't believe all the ragey people are actual adults.
Toxicity? LOL. Asking for updates, a roadmap, or some sort of communication is toxic. Giving honest feedback is toxic. Whats toxic is the toxic positivity from people who want to protect the devs from any criticism.
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They lie to us through their teeth, because they want more money and they tricked people into supporting their Rutless Path, and now we find ourselves without Poe-1, not even a recycled league, nothing, because they want to force us to play Poe-2 and artificially boost their numbers... and we are toxic...
Maybe, so much so that I won't spend anything on this company as long as they lie to me, as long as they shut people up for unimportant comments, as long as this doesn't work. Bring back Chris, compared to the one in charge of the ship now he was doing much better, ugh.
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Posted byBebehercio#4402on Jan 30, 2025, 11:47:43 AM
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Toxicity? LOL. Asking for updates, a roadmap, or some sort of communication is toxic. Giving honest feedback is toxic. Whats toxic is the toxic positivity from people who want to protect the devs from any criticism.
"Protect the devs from any criticism"?
First of all, nobody is protecting the devs from shit. Somebody in GGG is wading through all this bullshit and assembling a community brief for the guys up top. That is the actual, literal job of a Community Management team and/or person - to be the finger on the pulse of 'the Community' for the company.
Second of all, nobody is excusing this one. Jonathan screwed the pooch. This is a failure on Grinding Gear's part and a broken promise. People can argue over whether they should have made that promise in the first place, but they did, and they biffed it. Nobody is saying PoE1 players don't have any right to be upset, or if someone is then they're wrong.
But third of all...the vitriolic, hypertoxic ranting, screaming and caterwauling this "Community" is so legendary for does not constitute "criticism". It constitutes an endlessly ongoing child's tantrum that merits exactly the response it gets - dismissal.
By all means, pull your support if you're upset. Close your wallet, disengage with the game. Say so, even. A post saying "I don't feel I can trust this company anymore after they shattered this promise that was important to me, so I'm leaving until and unless amends are made" is fine, and is valid criticism and feedback. The rancid doomer bullshit the forums are all flooded with instead is nothing but a distracting excuse to vent gas. And when you spend all day and night venting gas, people are gonna call you out for the smell.
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Posted by1453R#7804on Jan 30, 2025, 12:04:16 PM
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Because it could, one or combination of reasons could.
Splitting community, ressources balance, bringing comparison between your EA vs full grown game, content amount, etc...
PoE2 is 100% a marketing success.
It attracted many ppl that know nothing about PoE1, or were scared by it. Those ppl now have more knowledge that can carry over PoE1. Bringing PoE1 back into the lense is dangerous, because the barrier to entry is now lowered.
There is a big obvious risk about moving the focus back on PoE1, and looks like they don't want to take that risk (or Jonathan just hates PoE1 ? but that's a stretch).
The origin of the situation is why did they put PoE2 out in such state, but that's another story, we are here now.
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Posted byrob_korn#1745on Jan 30, 2025, 12:05:59 PM
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Toxicity? LOL. Asking for updates, a roadmap, or some sort of communication is toxic. Giving honest feedback is toxic. Whats toxic is the toxic positivity from people who want to protect the devs from any criticism.
"Protect the devs from any criticism"?
First of all, nobody is protecting the devs from shit. Somebody in GGG is wading through all this bullshit and assembling a community brief for the guys up top. That is the actual, literal job of a Community Management team and/or person - to be the finger on the pulse of 'the Community' for the company.
Second of all, nobody is excusing this one. Jonathan screwed the pooch. This is a failure on Grinding Gear's part and a broken promise. People can argue over whether they should have made that promise in the first place, but they did, and they biffed it. Nobody is saying PoE1 players don't have any right to be upset, or if someone is then they're wrong.
But third of all...the vitriolic, hypertoxic ranting, screaming and caterwauling this "Community" is so legendary for does not constitute "criticism". It constitutes an endlessly ongoing child's tantrum that merits exactly the response it gets - dismissal.
By all means, pull your support if you're upset. Close your wallet, disengage with the game. Say so, even. A post saying "I don't feel I can trust this company anymore after they shattered this promise that was important to me, so I'm leaving until and unless amends are made" is fine, and is valid criticism and feedback. The rancid doomer bullshit the forums are all flooded with instead is nothing but a distracting excuse to vent gas. And when you spend all day and night venting gas, people are gonna call you out for the smell.
Your dislike for others venting their emotions is also a kind of emotion, and everyone is the same.
Before the 0.1.1 version update in December, there was an article about armor values and it was very detailed. Today, someone also analyzed this problem in detail. There are many such repeated feedbacks.
If you want everyone to understand and wait for GGG to solve the problem, then you should also patiently understand that players repeatedly raise the same feedback and complaints after being tortured by such problems.
Instead of telling others to get out
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Posted byki784340143#8116on Jan 30, 2025, 12:25:38 PM
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To me a focus on PoE2 is inevitable -- realistically it's not even a choice.
A LOT of resources over the last [few?] years have been spent on PoE2. GGG has proven that they have issues successfully managing two games. As such there's no way PoE1 would have been the focus -- it would have been career suicide.
I.E. too many people's career are tied to PoE2 and it can't be allowed to fail OR even be deprioritized for PoE1 because it would look like all the resources invested have been wasted.
As such, to me, it should be OUR priority to give the best feedback we can because it seems foolish to believe that both PoE1 and PoE2 will coexist and both reach new heights.
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Posted byKingAlamar#4071on Jan 30, 2025, 12:29:58 PM
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Firstly, the pre-production phase itself can take months, even years...
Lol you forgot to include the fact that much of the boss models and environments were completed 5 years ago in your prompt.
It really is a wonder what they've been doing the past 5 years. 4 of those were just taking our money while letting us believe that we were funding an expansion of PoE 1, our favorite game, only to turn it all into a lie, a swindle, a scam when they announced it'd actually be a separate game in Exile-con 2023.
Source cited:
https://youtu.be/gENl7XuQyNQ?t=1003
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Posted byZacheous#3845on Jan 30, 2025, 12:33:50 PM
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I was beyond excited from the moment they announced poe2. It was supposed to run along side poe1 it was supposed to have a new season halfway through poe1 season. They announced all this amazing stuff. Then we got this extremely watered down version of poe1. Removing almost everything that made poe1 great.
The maps are massive with tremendous back tracking. The game give you zero reason to play as a group with one death and you can't even revive your teammates. Either give the portals back or let us revive teammates. Then few updates and interviews they have done. Has only proven they are not ready for this. The current leaders need to be replaced. The EA was a pre-order money grab and they even bragged about it.
They had 5 years + of working on this and it will take them many more years. Eta for poe1 players is go F yourself.
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Because it could, one or combination of reasons could.
Splitting community, ressources balance, bringing comparison between your EA vs full grown game, content amount, etc...
PoE2 is 100% a marketing success.
It attracted many ppl that know nothing about PoE1, or were scared by it. Those ppl now have more knowledge that can carry over PoE1. Bringing PoE1 back into the lense is dangerous, because the barrier to entry is now lowered.
There is a big obvious risk about moving the focus back on PoE1, and looks like they don't want to take that risk (or Jonathan just hates PoE1 ? but that's a stretch).
The origin of the situation is why did they put PoE2 out in such state, but that's another story, we are here now.
Look all I can say is you're overthinking this. JR does not want to be sat in front of a camera saying they made mistakes... They don't want a bunch of old poe 1 players throwing their toys out of the pram all over social media. They don't want whales to swear off spending another dollar.
A poe 1 league is not going to bring swathes of poe 2 players permanently over to poe 1. No league is that good. Poe 1 is there right now with content those players haven't touched. And in hype terms poe 2 0.2 will bring all the major streamers etc back.
Poe 2 is obviously damaging poe 1, but in the very literal sense that the devs are working on poe 2. That's about it. GGG had the horrible, horrible deadline feeling and they fluffed the response. It happens.
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Posted bycid951#3156on Jan 30, 2025, 1:10:39 PM
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