ARPG and Souls Like are like oil and water, just a match made in hell.

In my opinion POE2 campaign are just tedious in several ways. I have not seen all interviews, but i have seen them talk about POE2 are ment to be more beginner and casual friendly, and expected a more beginner friendly game then POE1, but it´s the opposite...

- Making it tediously hard similar to a souls like with dodge mechanics are not beginner friendly. Also it´s conflicting design like oil and water.

- Souls like games are designed mostly to play through the campaign and then the game are basically finished. Since campaign are the main thing, it´s okey it takes a bit extra time and in need to practice boss mechanics, or get stuck in need to farm up a little to progress.

- In ARPGs on the other hand the campaign aren´t the main thing, end-game are, with frequent season resets and frequently level new characters, so it just feels tedious for the campaign/leveling to be slow & hard like a souls like game. It´s conflicting designs.

- Not to speak about the screen clutter and souls like dodge mechanic combo, souls like games have relatively few enemies with telegraphed attacks, so yes, dodge mechanics works good then. But in POE2 the screen are either often so overfilled with mobs you can´t dodge roll even if you try and also the screen often so cluttered with visual effects it´s difficult to even see the mechanics you are supposed to dodge roll from. Again, conflicting designs.

- In my opinion ARPGs campaign/leveling need to be smooth and easy compared to a souls like, if you do all quests and pickup/buy all upgrades you come across, it should never be a situation where you character are so weak you run into a wall and in need to go back and farm already beaten parts of the campaign to beat a boss. And i would dare to say overwhelming majority of ARPG fans agree with this, hense the huge amount of copmlaints.



Overall, as the game is now. The souls like/arpg combo just feels like a tedious match in hell.

Agreed. There are massive pacing conflicts in the game right now and I just do not see how the 'vision' of PoE2 will survive.

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ScandiDiver#0604 wrote:

In my opinion POE2 campaign are just tedious in several ways. I have not seen all interviews, but i have seen them talk about POE2 are ment to be more beginner and casual friendly, and expected a more beginner friendly game then POE1, but it´s the opposite...

- Making it tediously hard similar to a souls like with dodge mechanics are not beginner friendly. Also it´s conflicting design like oil and water.

- Souls like games are designed mostly to play through the campaign and then the game are basically finished. It´s okey it takes a bit extra time and in need to practice boss mechanics, or get stuck in need to farm up a little to progress.

- ARPGs on the other hand with frequent season resets are designed around end-game and frequently level new characters, so it just feels tedious for the campaign/leveling to be like a souls like game.

- Not to speak about the screen clutter and souls like dodge mechanic combo, souls like games have relatively few enemies with telegraphed attacks, so yes, dodge mechanics works good then. But in POE2 the screen are either often so overfilled with mobs you can´t dodge roll even if you try and also the screen often so cluttered with visual effects it´s difficult to even see the mechanics you are supposed to dodge roll from.

- In my opinion ARPGs campaign/leveling need to be smooth and easy compared to a souls like, if you do all quests and pickup/buy all upgrades you come across, it should never be a situation where you character are so weak you need to go back and farm and act to beat a act boss. And i would dare to say overwhelming majority of ARPG fans agree with this, hense the huge amount of copmlaints.



Overall, as the game is now. The souls like/arpg combo just feels like a tedious match in hell.

GGG is successful.

They made poe1 out of nothing. It was amazing. They made poe2 with the full force of a tripleA titan. It's barebone mediocre and boring.

It's time to accept GGG joined the closed club of Blizzard, Bioware, CDPROJEKT. The once great behemots. It was a good run but there's no coming back from this backward misstep.

And another toxic thread with toxic people trashtalking GGG...

EA, EARLY ACCESS - E A R L Y A C C E S S, is out for 3 weeks and most devs in GGG take a rest right now. And you expect them to change the game during this short time? And again, it's EARLY ACCESS. GGG knows that this game is NOT complete. That's why they made an EARLY ACCESS release, because they want feedback and they need metrics. You view this game as a full release 1.0 title, while it's far away from that. So instead of whining, give constructive feedback, give GGG some time and then you can take a break from the game and see, if GGG manages to change the game to your liking. If not, you are invited to leave this game behind and keep playing PoE1 or whatever you want.

Damn entitled kids...

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ScandiDiver#0604 wrote:

In my opinion POE2 campaign are just tedious in several ways. I have not seen all interviews, but i have seen them talk about POE2 are ment to be more beginner and casual friendly, and expected a more beginner friendly game then POE1, but it´s the opposite...

- Making it tediously hard similar to a souls like with dodge mechanics are not beginner friendly. Also it´s conflicting design like oil and water.

- Souls like games are designed mostly to play through the campaign and then the game are basically finished. It´s okey it takes a bit extra time and in need to practice boss mechanics, or get stuck in need to farm up a little to progress.

- ARPGs on the other hand with frequent season resets are designed around end-game and frequently level new characters, so it just feels tedious for the campaign/leveling to be like a souls like game.

- Not to speak about the screen clutter and souls like dodge mechanic combo, souls like games have relatively few enemies with telegraphed attacks, so yes, dodge mechanics works good then. But in POE2 the screen are either often so overfilled with mobs you can´t dodge roll even if you try and also the screen often so cluttered with visual effects it´s difficult to even see the mechanics you are supposed to dodge roll from.

- In my opinion ARPGs campaign/leveling need to be smooth and easy compared to a souls like, if you do all quests and pickup/buy all upgrades you come across, it should never be a situation where you character are so weak you need to go back and farm and act to beat a act boss. And i would dare to say overwhelming majority of ARPG fans agree with this, hense the huge amount of copmlaints.



Overall, as the game is now. The souls like/arpg combo just feels like a tedious match in hell.

Dash is IMO cooler than dodge roll.

The campaign is extremely easy mate.

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

And another toxic thread with toxic people trashtalking GGG...

EA, EARLY ACCESS - E A R L Y A C C E S S, is out for 3 weeks and most devs in GGG take a rest right now. And you expect them to change the game during this short time? And again, it's EARLY ACCESS. GGG knows that this game is NOT complete. That's why they made an EARLY ACCESS release, because they want feedback and they need metrics. You view this game as a full release 1.0 title, while it's far away from that. So instead of whining, give constructive feedback, give GGG some time and then you can take a break from the game and see, if GGG manages to change the game to your liking. If not, you are invited to leave this game behind and keep playing PoE1 or whatever you want.

Damn entitled kids...

This is one of the most embarassing posts i ever read. You are literally upset over someone giving feedback in a feedback forum.

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ScandiDiver#0604 wrote:

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

And another toxic thread with toxic people trashtalking GGG...

EA, EARLY ACCESS - E A R L Y A C C E S S, is out for 3 weeks and most devs in GGG take a rest right now. And you expect them to change the game during this short time? And again, it's EARLY ACCESS. GGG knows that this game is NOT complete. That's why they made an EARLY ACCESS release, because they want feedback and they need metrics. You view this game as a full release 1.0 title, while it's far away from that. So instead of whining, give constructive feedback, give GGG some time and then you can take a break from the game and see, if GGG manages to change the game to your liking. If not, you are invited to leave this game behind and keep playing PoE1 or whatever you want.

Damn entitled kids...

This is one of the most embarassing posts i ever read. You are literally upset over someone giving feedback in a feedback forum.

Well, maybe I wasn't clear enough and should have phrased my post differently.

I want to clearify why I made my post:

First: The thread title is already very polarizing. Stating "ARPG/Souls Like are a Match made in hell" is already very provocative and will certainly invite all the toxic people who do not like the way PoE2 is going.

Second: My post was mainly a reaction to @epiphase, who said "It's time to accept GGG joined the closed club of Blizzard, Bioware, CDPROJEKT.". This comparrison is just plain stupid.

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

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ScandiDiver#0604 wrote:

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

And another toxic thread with toxic people trashtalking GGG...

EA, EARLY ACCESS - E A R L Y A C C E S S, is out for 3 weeks and most devs in GGG take a rest right now. And you expect them to change the game during this short time? And again, it's EARLY ACCESS. GGG knows that this game is NOT complete. That's why they made an EARLY ACCESS release, because they want feedback and they need metrics. You view this game as a full release 1.0 title, while it's far away from that. So instead of whining, give constructive feedback, give GGG some time and then you can take a break from the game and see, if GGG manages to change the game to your liking. If not, you are invited to leave this game behind and keep playing PoE1 or whatever you want.

Damn entitled kids...

This is one of the most embarassing posts i ever read. You are literally upset over someone giving feedback in a feedback forum.

Well, maybe I wasn't clear enough and should have phrased my post differently.

I want to clearify why I made my post:

First: The thread title is already very polarizing. Stating "ARPG/Souls Like are a Match made in hell" is already very provocative and will certainly invite all the toxic people who do not like the way PoE2 is going.

Second: My post was mainly a reaction to @epiphase, who said "It's time to accept GGG joined the closed club of Blizzard, Bioware, CDPROJEKT.". This comparrison is just plain stupid.

First: Thread title are accurate since that´s the way i think and feel playing it, toxic people will join every thread, i am not gonna sugar coat my feedback because a toxic person might join, and honestly, i think your answer was quite toxic. Feedback forum are made for people to post feedback, and i gave constructive feedback exactly why i think this way, and honestly, majority of people i know feel the same about it. I see absolutely nothing wrong about my constructive feedback post in this feedback forum.

Second: I agree that was a bad comparrison, and i don´t agree in what that member posted.

Since your post was made as a response to another member and not me, you just forgot to quote it, it´s all good, everyone can make a small mistake.

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epiphase#4568 wrote:

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ScandiDiver#0604 wrote:

In my opinion POE2 campaign are just tedious in several ways. I have not seen all interviews, but i have seen them talk about POE2 are ment to be more beginner and casual friendly, and expected a more beginner friendly game then POE1, but it´s the opposite...

- Making it tediously hard similar to a souls like with dodge mechanics are not beginner friendly. Also it´s conflicting design like oil and water.

- Souls like games are designed mostly to play through the campaign and then the game are basically finished. It´s okey it takes a bit extra time and in need to practice boss mechanics, or get stuck in need to farm up a little to progress.

- ARPGs on the other hand with frequent season resets are designed around end-game and frequently level new characters, so it just feels tedious for the campaign/leveling to be like a souls like game.

- Not to speak about the screen clutter and souls like dodge mechanic combo, souls like games have relatively few enemies with telegraphed attacks, so yes, dodge mechanics works good then. But in POE2 the screen are either often so overfilled with mobs you can´t dodge roll even if you try and also the screen often so cluttered with visual effects it´s difficult to even see the mechanics you are supposed to dodge roll from.

- In my opinion ARPGs campaign/leveling need to be smooth and easy compared to a souls like, if you do all quests and pickup/buy all upgrades you come across, it should never be a situation where you character are so weak you need to go back and farm and act to beat a act boss. And i would dare to say overwhelming majority of ARPG fans agree with this, hense the huge amount of copmlaints.



Overall, as the game is now. The souls like/arpg combo just feels like a tedious match in hell.

GGG is successful.

They made poe1 out of nothing. It was amazing. They made poe2 with the full force of a tripleA titan. It's barebone mediocre and boring.

It's time to accept GGG joined the closed club of Blizzard, Bioware, CDPROJEKT. The once great behemots. It was a good run but there's no coming back from this backward misstep.

GGG made poe1, Tencent made poe2. Thats why there is so much recycled and nothing new added. Name 1 new thing poe2 is doing, the gems? They just took 1 and simplified it. Why did they force all the poe1 systems into the 2 with zero explanation to new players. Why did they tie 2 of the most hated mechanics to ascending.