Map Sustain

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I don't understand the map sustain gripes either. I only have my experience and a single buddy that I play with, but neither of us have had issues. My atlas has no +waystone, I just went with rarity and then on the T8+ quests beelined it for the double corrupt node.

Maybe +rarity on gear has been affecting my drops? I don't look for this stat but inevitably have 15-30% somewhere. I also pick up every single waystone, and every waystone is trans/aug/regal'd for use.

Bosses most definitely have the best waystone drops. Particularly the biome that has 2 Miller bosses. You end up with 4-8 maps equal or higher tier than what you are running.

Oh, I also full clear maps even after map completion. Well, unless there's like less than a dozen monsters left.


I've never had map bosses drop more than 2 maps, and the other is always like tier 2 or something. The other is usually map tier, often lower tier, and rarely higher.

I've been running with 40-90% MF and saw no difference ever. Sometimes i get a lucky drop of say t12+ and do it, only to find one t5 map. I'm not sure how I am supposed to go up in tiers like this.


MF has nothing to do with waystone drops.

Towers, waystone drop modifier on waystone, and atlas modifiers for waystones/tablets are all that matter.

I have never had less then 3 waystones drop from a map boss that are the same tier, sometimes 4+. I hit all of the towers around the boss nodes and increase chance to drop waystones (assuming I have enough tablets for that). Then use the map with the best waystone drop chance.

Boss maps I normally walk out with at least 5 T15 maps, 3 of which came from the boss.
maybe people are putting in white tablets

2 friends of mine never played poe and were starting poe2. they asked for maps every 2 days too. they ran their maps white and only put in white tablets. they didnt know they could be modified and the game does not tell it.
Last edited by Pl4t1numX#4325 on Dec 28, 2024, 6:03:41 PM
People saying map sustain is fine is running OP meta builds on ultra-juiced content. Of course they are swimming in loot.

They wouldn't last 5 minutes on a "normal" build...
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maybe people are putting in white tablets

2 friends of mine never played poe and were starting poe2. they asked for maps every 2 days too. they ran their maps white and only put in white tablets. they didnt know they could be modified and the game does not tell it.


Oh, I don't doubt that new players are running unjuiced maps. That's an actual skill issue (really, a knowledge issue).

The problem is that players are also juicing the hell out of their maps without seeing returns, while others are having no problems sustaining maps. What's with the discrepancy? As has been pointed out many times in this thread, bosses are indeed the best way to sustain and gain maps. But if you're in an area of the Atlas that has few/no boss nodes, then that's a problem. Having to run lower-quality maps just to puddlejump to Boss nodes also feels bad. Do a lot of people just have bad Atlas seeds?
Last edited by Gwonam#5505 on Dec 28, 2024, 6:14:39 PM
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MagosX#1099 wrote:
People saying map sustain is fine is running OP meta builds on ultra-juiced content. Of course they are swimming in loot.

They wouldn't last 5 minutes on a "normal" build...


yeah, my meta rolling slam titan with 60 rarity clearly breaks the meta
If you want to progress in this game you have to be mf everywhere on your equipment and have the rarity and quantity on your maps also the atlas points are useless it's ridiculous but the only thing that almost works is mf and again everything and complete rng to believe that they did not test the game just mix poe1 code in something else to say it's poe2 even baldur gate is less rng...
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trade your low maps up to higher ones and run them rare. problem solved believe me


Trade? If you mean reforge, just try to calculate how many you need doing t14's from some t5 maps.

Other than that, all boss maps run rare, all towers with tablet. All atlas points in map sustain. Trying to run all empty nodes with t1 stones and it's horrible waste of time and still barely helps.
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trade your low maps up to higher ones and run them rare. problem solved believe me


Trade? If you mean reforge, just try to calculate how many you need doing t14's from some t5 maps.

Other than that, all boss maps run rare, all towers with tablet. All atlas points in map sustain. Trying to run all empty nodes with t1 stones and it's horrible waste of time and still barely helps.


yes reforging, helped me climbing the tiers. as i reached tier 15, problems were gone.
with tier 6 i startet running them only rare. and i stocked up the next tier waystones befor going up. worked for me
dont listen to the "you need rarity" people, they are talking bs. you dont get more waystones by getting more rarity
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trade your low maps up to higher ones and run them rare. problem solved believe me


Trade? If you mean reforge, just try to calculate how many you need doing t14's from some t5 maps.

Other than that, all boss maps run rare, all towers with tablet. All atlas points in map sustain. Trying to run all empty nodes with t1 stones and it's horrible waste of time and still barely helps.


yes reforging, helped me climbing the tiers. as i reached tier 15, problems were gone.
with tier 6 i startet running them only rare. and i stocked up the next tier waystones befor going up. worked for me
dont listen to the "you need rarity" people, they are talking bs. you dont get more waystones by getting more rarity


Climb tiers with what? I don't get 3x current map stones ever, I get almost always 0 or 1, and I need to use it to do next map. I don't get 3x t minus 1 maps either that I could upgrade.

And I need 20k t5 stones to upgrade to t14, just for the sake of that example.
Why am I getting Tier 5 maps drops in a Tier 15 map. You can't sit there as a developer during an interview and say map sustain is puzzling to you because it took you 30 maps to get to 15 or whatever it was, when the game consistently, even with all the nodes that gives chances at higher tier maps, as well as increased map drops results in low tier maps dropping all the time. How am I supposed to sustain maps on that. It's not because of deaths and running out, it's because the system keeps giving me nonsense low tier maps that I get nothing out of. I don't get EXP. I don't get good drops. It's stupid.

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