Guild tabs not merging to POE2 - Ziz interview with Jonathan

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Helldrazi#4560 wrote:

Ah yes, the collective weeping of guild leaders over free access to an entirely new game. Let’s tackle the melodrama step by step, shall we?

"The tabs aren’t transferring over! This is unfair!"
Ah, yes, because a revolutionary sequel that’s free for all somehow owes you a 1-to-1 tab migration system. Do people think GGG is sitting there with a giant “Transfer Guild Tabs” button they’re just refusing to press? If migrating tabs between two fundamentally different games were so easy, why don’t you whip up the code and send it over? I’m sure they’d love to see your hotfix for this “simple” issue.

"Guild names might be stolen!"
Because nothing screams "first-world gaming problem" like the panic of losing your totally original guild name, like “PogChampers” or “Tab Hoarders United.” If someone snatches your guild name, here’s a wild thought: pick another one! Maybe add a “2.0” at the end, since, you know, it’s a new game!

"Refund the points!"
Refunds? Why, because you spent money supporting a game you’ve been enjoying for years? Is the expectation now that GGG should retroactively reimburse everyone for every penny spent just because things aren’t carrying over? If you bought a steak dinner three years ago, do you storm back into the restaurant demanding a refund because they added new items to the menu? Come on.

"It’s misleading to let guild leaders keep the stuff!"
And yet, when the guild leader had the wallet open, everyone was perfectly fine with the setup. This sudden outrage feels less about fairness and more like a convenient scapegoat. GGG’s system isn’t flawless, but expecting them to rewrite the entire structure of guild economies to accommodate hypothetical “what ifs” seems... excessive.

"Why so complicated? Just let us re-create the guild!"
Brilliant idea! Now all GGG needs is to magically synchronize millions of accounts across two vastly different systems, while somehow avoiding dupe exploits, data corruption, and system abuse. I’m sure that’s all a quick weekend project, right? Because if you can’t explain how to make it work without breaking everything, maybe cut GGG some slack for not snapping their fingers and making it happen.

"Why don’t we complain about usernames?"
No one’s raging about usernames potentially being “stolen” because everyone inherently understands the same thing that applies to guilds: the first person to grab it gets it. It’s a free-for-all, and that’s fine. Somehow, that logic evaporates when it comes to guild names and tabs, because—checks notes—it’s apparently sacred ground.

Final Thought:
Instead of wailing over tabs and names, how about a bit of gratitude for an entirely free sequel that’s designed to blow the original out of the water? If your biggest problem is reorganizing a guild and its stash in a groundbreaking new game, congratulations, you’ve officially run out of real problems. Let’s focus on enjoying what’s coming instead of nitpicking what’s not.

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Helldrazi#4560 wrote:

Ah yes, the collective weeping of guild leaders over free access to an entirely new game. Let’s tackle the melodrama step by step, shall we?

"The tabs aren’t transferring over! This is unfair!"
Ah, yes, because a revolutionary sequel that’s free for all somehow owes you a 1-to-1 tab migration system. Do people think GGG is sitting there with a giant “Transfer Guild Tabs” button they’re just refusing to press? If migrating tabs between two fundamentally different games were so easy, why don’t you whip up the code and send it over? I’m sure they’d love to see your hotfix for this “simple” issue.

"Guild names might be stolen!"
Because nothing screams "first-world gaming problem" like the panic of losing your totally original guild name, like “PogChampers” or “Tab Hoarders United.” If someone snatches your guild name, here’s a wild thought: pick another one! Maybe add a “2.0” at the end, since, you know, it’s a new game!

"Refund the points!"
Refunds? Why, because you spent money supporting a game you’ve been enjoying for years? Is the expectation now that GGG should retroactively reimburse everyone for every penny spent just because things aren’t carrying over? If you bought a steak dinner three years ago, do you storm back into the restaurant demanding a refund because they added new items to the menu? Come on.

"It’s misleading to let guild leaders keep the stuff!"
And yet, when the guild leader had the wallet open, everyone was perfectly fine with the setup. This sudden outrage feels less about fairness and more like a convenient scapegoat. GGG’s system isn’t flawless, but expecting them to rewrite the entire structure of guild economies to accommodate hypothetical “what ifs” seems... excessive.

"Why so complicated? Just let us re-create the guild!"
Brilliant idea! Now all GGG needs is to magically synchronize millions of accounts across two vastly different systems, while somehow avoiding dupe exploits, data corruption, and system abuse. I’m sure that’s all a quick weekend project, right? Because if you can’t explain how to make it work without breaking everything, maybe cut GGG some slack for not snapping their fingers and making it happen.

"Why don’t we complain about usernames?"
No one’s raging about usernames potentially being “stolen” because everyone inherently understands the same thing that applies to guilds: the first person to grab it gets it. It’s a free-for-all, and that’s fine. Somehow, that logic evaporates when it comes to guild names and tabs, because—checks notes—it’s apparently sacred ground.

Final Thought:
Instead of wailing over tabs and names, how about a bit of gratitude for an entirely free sequel that’s designed to blow the original out of the water? If your biggest problem is reorganizing a guild and its stash in a groundbreaking new game, congratulations, you’ve officially run out of real problems. Let’s focus on enjoying what’s coming instead of nitpicking what’s not.

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TLDR. 1 year ago GGG states guild will migrate. end of conversation (ya shill)

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It's not free though and since your guild is private, it's probably just you in it. Some people have a large community they've played with for years and want that to carry over, and here you are glazing ggg for reasons.

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Helldrazi#4560 wrote:

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TLDR. 1 year ago GGG states guild will migrate. end of conversation (ya shill)

Ah yes, the infamous “GGG said it a year ago, so it must still be 100% true despite development realities, technical challenges, and, you know, the entire infrastructure of a sequel being built from scratch.” The entitlement here is just chef’s kiss. Also, calling someone a shill because they’re not crying over stash tabs? Classic. Maybe the real issue isn’t people defending GGG but your inability to accept that development plans sometimes change.

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It's not free though and since your guild is private, it's probably just you in it. Some people have a large community they've played with for years and want that to carry over, and here you are glazing ggg for reasons.

Oh no, someone cracked the code! Sure, let’s assume every private guild is just a solo player twiddling their thumbs. And the “it’s not free” argument? Last I checked, you’re not being charged for Path of Exile 2 upon release. If you’re talking about stash tabs you willingly bought, welcome to the reality of online games where not everything lasts forever. But hey, go ahead and treat it like GGG owes you a personal apology.

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LumpsIsHigh#6219 wrote:

Thanks for the bump of the thread. FYI, you’re the only taking the stance you have. 👍

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Helldrazi#4560 wrote:

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LumpsIsHigh#6219 wrote:

Thanks for the bump of the thread. FYI, you’re the only taking the stance you have. 👍

Oh, absolutely! It’s not like there are thousands of other people sharing their concerns across various threads, right? Clearly, I must be the only one on the internet who thinks that maybe, just maybe, there’s a reason behind GGG’s decision-making.

If I’m the only one taking this stance, are you suggesting that GGG should make decisions based on the popularity of opinions rather than the actual technical or developmental feasibility? Because that’s a sure-fire way to end up with a completely broken game.


If transferring guild stashes is so straightforward, can you outline the technical implementation for us? You seem to believe it’s an easy fix—what’s your solution to the inevitable challenges of data migration, cross-game compatibility, and security risks?

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Gungniir#6674 wrote:

quit being a shill. thanks for the bump to this very important issue though

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TwistedTrip#5344 wrote:

I'm with Helldrazi#4560

It would have been nice, really GGG didn't have to do any of the MTX crossover. It's technically a new game. I mean I'm not happy about it, I just set up a guild with my brother last league and we went half on all tabs, hideout etc.

It's not cheap it adds up, but with GGG's track record and what they already do for the community I don't see malicious intent. If anything it's probably a technical limitation or an issue that isn't as easy to resolve as personal MTX crossover.

But hey I still have all the guild stuff I paid for in the game I wanted to play it with. In a perfect world, we would have all our needs meet but that's not a world we live in and personally I'm extremely grateful we are getting our personal MTX's moved over to PoE 2. That has a lot more value to me than my guild tabs etc.