Feels like a scumbag moment from GGG

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Johny_Snow#4778 wrote:

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Thesuffering#0836 wrote:

Turns out they put the $30 price is to reduce server stress. They are already expecting 1 million on the first day. They said they are expecting to be much more than that when it becomes free to play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDjAaf5YT_0

exactly, they simply have to charge people for a free product because they can't accommodate everyone- its simple economics. its like the free stuff you get from late night cable programming- you just have to pay for s/h, its still free yk

Uh, they could have send out keys you know. Send out like 200,000 at first, see how the servers are doing, send out more next week. This will keep the hype going.

But no, apparently the only way is to extract money from their fans

Then people would bitch that they didn't get a key. No win situation. At least the $30 goes into their budget for the effort. $30 wont buy a family a meal these days, unfortunately its as near nothing as is reasonably worth charging.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

It really isn't. Like, I get the point you were trying to make in some roundabout way, but that analogy is really just terrible. Shelter is a basic necessity. Comparing literal extortion to what is at best predatory monetization is quite the stretch.

The shelter analogy is perfectly fine. It's intent is for illustrating the inconsistency between what's being marketed and what's being offered, not to debate whether shelter is a necessity. And as others love to say, you are free to just go and find another shelter.

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JoeShmo#1872 wrote:

I think the bigger unethical problem here is that you can pay $30 to get an early access key .. or having paid $480 prior.

$480?!

Why not $30? You know .. the price of the access?

Heck, even $100. $480? The cost of a yearly supporter pack at the highest tier? Seriously?

Those numbers are probably decided after consulting with both psychologists and marketing experts who know exactly how to hook people into spending more.

I am one of those gamers who doesn't buy skins and stuff because I think it's stupid.

Poe reddit and forums have complained about paid ea access in other games pretty frequently. I remember the stink people made when d4 had a collectors edition to play earlier.

I think is healthy to complain a little when a company you like did something a little scummy, but don't blow it out of proportion.

This is how companies operate these days, gotta nickel and dime everything.

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Soop#0082 wrote:

Then people would bitch that they didn't get a key. No win situation. At least the $30 goes into their budget for the effort. $30 wont buy a family a meal these days, unfortunately its as near nothing as is reasonably worth charging.

Man, I am tired of people treating GGG like a company which needs money to survive. Why aren't you all treating Blizzard like this? There isn't much of a difference between the two right now.

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ShamelessWhiteknight#7976 wrote:

The shelter analogy is perfectly fine.

The shelter analogy is fine if you want to gaslight people into equating not giving free Beta access to a game as the same as not providing a basic human right. Using this argument is pretty appauling really, it shows a lack of respect for people that are actually struggling and is a pretty clear sign that you are not actually thinking about what you are saying.

Meanwhile, in every page people who disagree with GGG's model are called poor and urged to go work. Nothing disrespectful here at all, I wager

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Johny_Snow#4778 wrote:

Meanwhile, in every page people who disagree with GGG's model are called poor and urged to go work. Nothing disrespectful here at all, I wager

Yes, I'm not defending anyone here, trashtalking on all sides

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Johny_Snow#4778 wrote:

Meanwhile, in every page people who disagree with GGG's model are called poor and urged to go work. Nothing disrespectful here at all, I wager

Disagreeing with their model is totally OK. Every single human being can understand how people dislike the F2P model, payed alpha, payed beta, payed early access. But to go from there to "scumbag" and "broken promises" is not just "disagreeing".

If people can't disagree with people without calling them scumbags, the world is going under. But hey, it just might...

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roundishcap#0649 wrote:

I am one of those gamers who doesn't buy skins and stuff because I think it's stupid.

Poe reddit and forums have complained about paid ea access in other games pretty frequently. I remember the stink people made when d4 had a collectors edition to play earlier.

I think is healthy to complain a little when a company you like did something a little scummy, but don't blow it out of proportion.

This is how companies operate these days, gotta nickel and dime everything.

Learn the difference between early access and headstart with bonuses.

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ShamelessWhiteknight#7976 wrote:

The shelter analogy is perfectly fine. It's intent is for illustrating the inconsistency between what's being marketed and what's being offered, not to debate whether shelter is a necessity. And as others love to say, you are free to just go and find another shelter.

It illustrates perfectly well that you are speaking from a position of total disconnect. I was once homeless for quite some time many years ago, so I can say with absolute certainty that your analogy is terrible in every way. And that last sentence clearly shows that.

Again, I think I understand the point you were trying to make, but this isn't it. Pick a better analogy. Literal extortion and predatory monetization tactics (at best) are worlds apart. You'd never use your analogy yourself if you had ever been in such a position, because you'd realize while typing how stupid it actually is.

If you really want to make such a comparison, a better analogy would be how games are being marketed with discounts and "freedom", and then you actually get the game and it tells you that you need to buy a DLC to enjoy that section, or that what you bought is basically just a demo level and you need to buy the other levels. I.e. the new Hitman games or Conan Exiles.