Feels like a scumbag moment from GGG

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JoeShmo#1872 wrote:
I think the bigger unethical problem here is that you can pay $30 to get an early access key .. or having paid $480 prior.

$480?!

Why not $30? You know .. the price of the access?

Heck, even $100. $480? The cost of a yearly supporter pack at the highest tier? Seriously?


Seriously ?
Nobody said you had buy packs for one year of the game..
This is option for long payers/supporters.. For all life of PoE 1..
Why they wouldn't reward players for supporting their game ?

This is EA.. Purpose of TESTING, improving BEFORE RELEASE. That means
we dont need milions of players which will play game, says it horrible and dont try report bugs, improve things, give some ideas with group of another players. Just wait on Full release in that case. The game isn't finished basically. It's same as all EAs in game.

You will get game for EA and then you will pay nothing. OR in this case
you wont pay even anything if you wait on polished game. While different normal game you would play full price after EA..


Wanna be part of testing ? Then dont except it for free, sounds it horrible ? Maybe.. but it's not first time or last in any game. (btw PoE 1 had same thing)

Never supported game except needs like stashs ? Then you actually dont support game for long time.. "Just bought DLC"

Idk why this post is still even alive..
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JoeShmo#1872 wrote:
I think the bigger unethical problem here is that you can pay $30 to get an early access key .. or having paid $480 prior.

$480?!

Why not $30? You know .. the price of the access?

Heck, even $100. $480? The cost of a yearly supporter pack at the highest tier? Seriously?


I bought your last vehicle, surely I am entitled to your new model!?

Yeah... That ain't how economics work.
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AintCare#6513 wrote:
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Turns out they put the $30 price is to reduce server stress. They are already expecting 1 million on the first day. They said they are expecting to be much more than that when it becomes free to play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDjAaf5YT_0


exactly, they simply have to charge people for a free product because they can't accommodate everyone- its simple economics. its like the free stuff you get from late night cable programming- you just have to pay for s/h, its still free yk


Uh, they could have send out keys you know. Send out like 200,000 at first, see how the servers are doing, send out more next week. This will keep the hype going.

But no, apparently the only way is to extract money from their fans
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AintCare#6513 wrote:
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Turns out they put the $30 price is to reduce server stress. They are already expecting 1 million on the first day. They said they are expecting to be much more than that when it becomes free to play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDjAaf5YT_0


exactly, they simply have to charge people for a free product because they can't accommodate everyone- its simple economics. its like the free stuff you get from late night cable programming- you just have to pay for s/h, its still free yk


Uh, they could have send out keys you know. Send out like 200,000 at first, see how the servers are doing, send out more next week. This will keep the hype going.

But no, apparently the only way is to extract money from their fans


Then people would bitch that they didn't get a key. No win situation. At least the $30 goes into their budget for the effort. $30 wont buy a family a meal these days, unfortunately its as near nothing as is reasonably worth charging.
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It really isn't. Like, I get the point you were trying to make in some roundabout way, but that analogy is really just terrible. Shelter is a basic necessity. Comparing literal extortion to what is at best predatory monetization is quite the stretch.


The shelter analogy is perfectly fine. It's intent is for illustrating the inconsistency between what's being marketed and what's being offered, not to debate whether shelter is a necessity. And as others love to say, you are free to just go and find another shelter.

try again
It's like promising "Free shelter" to the homeless, then clarifying, "But you'll have to sleep outside in the rain for a few years while we make sure the curtains are in perfect alignment, unless you can pay your way in now". It's technically correct but it turns the original promise on its head.



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JoeShmo#1872 wrote:
I think the bigger unethical problem here is that you can pay $30 to get an early access key .. or having paid $480 prior.

$480?!

Why not $30? You know .. the price of the access?

Heck, even $100. $480? The cost of a yearly supporter pack at the highest tier? Seriously?


Those numbers are probably decided after consulting with both psychologists and marketing experts who know exactly how to hook people into spending more.
I am one of those gamers who doesn't buy skins and stuff because I think it's stupid.

Poe reddit and forums have complained about paid ea access in other games pretty frequently. I remember the stink people made when d4 had a collectors edition to play earlier.

I think is healthy to complain a little when a company you like did something a little scummy, but don't blow it out of proportion.

This is how companies operate these days, gotta nickel and dime everything.
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Soop#0082 wrote:

Then people would bitch that they didn't get a key. No win situation. At least the $30 goes into their budget for the effort. $30 wont buy a family a meal these days, unfortunately its as near nothing as is reasonably worth charging.


Man, I am tired of people treating GGG like a company which needs money to survive. Why aren't you all treating Blizzard like this? There isn't much of a difference between the two right now.
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The shelter analogy is perfectly fine.
The shelter analogy is fine if you want to gaslight people into equating not giving free Beta access to a game as the same as not providing a basic human right. Using this argument is pretty appauling really, it shows a lack of respect for people that are actually struggling and is a pretty clear sign that you are not actually thinking about what you are saying.
Meanwhile, in every page people who disagree with GGG's model are called poor and urged to go work. Nothing disrespectful here at all, I wager
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Meanwhile, in every page people who disagree with GGG's model are called poor and urged to go work. Nothing disrespectful here at all, I wager
Yes, I'm not defending anyone here, trashtalking on all sides

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