Feels like a scumbag moment from GGG

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Johny_Snow#4778 wrote:

Meanwhile, in every page people who disagree with GGG's model are called poor and urged to go work. Nothing disrespectful here at all, I wager

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roundishcap#0649 wrote:

I am one of those gamers who doesn't buy skins and stuff because I think it's stupid.

Poe reddit and forums have complained about paid ea access in other games pretty frequently. I remember the stink people made when d4 had a collectors edition to play earlier.

I think is healthy to complain a little when a company you like did something a little scummy, but don't blow it out of proportion.

This is how companies operate these days, gotta nickel and dime everything.

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ShamelessWhiteknight#7976 wrote:

The shelter analogy is perfectly fine. It's intent is for illustrating the inconsistency between what's being marketed and what's being offered, not to debate whether shelter is a necessity. And as others love to say, you are free to just go and find another shelter.

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Johny_Snow#4778 wrote:

Uh, they could have send out keys you know. Send out like 200,000 at first, see how the servers are doing, send out more next week. This will keep the hype going.

But no, apparently the only way is to extract money from their fans

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

It illustrates perfectly well that you are speaking from a position of total disconnect. I was once homeless for quite some time many years ago, so I can say with absolute certainty that your analogy is terrible in every way. And that last sentence clearly shows that.

Again, I think I understand the point you were trying to make, but this isn't it. Pick a better analogy. Literal extortion and predatory monetization tactics (at best) are worlds apart. You'd never use your analogy yourself if you had ever been in such a position, because you'd realize while typing how stupid it actually is.

If you really want to make such a comparison, a better analogy would be how games are being marketed with discounts and "freedom", and then you actually get the game and it tells you that you need to buy a DLC to enjoy that section, or that what you bought is basically just a demo level and you need to buy the other levels. I.e. the new Hitman games or Conan Exiles.

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ShamelessWhiteknight#7976 wrote:

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

It illustrates perfectly well that you are speaking from a position of total disconnect. I was once homeless for quite some time many years ago, so I can say with absolute certainty that your analogy is terrible in every way. And that last sentence clearly shows that.

Again, I think I understand the point you were trying to make, but this isn't it. Pick a better analogy. Literal extortion and predatory monetization tactics (at best) are worlds apart. You'd never use your analogy yourself if you had ever been in such a position, because you'd realize while typing how stupid it actually is.

If you really want to make such a comparison, a better analogy would be how games are being marketed with discounts and "freedom", and then you actually get the game and it tells you that you need to buy a DLC to enjoy that section, or that what you bought is basically just a demo level and you need to buy the other levels. I.e. the new Hitman games or Conan Exiles.

It seems you're misinterpreting the analogy again. It's not claiming that early access monetization is extortion. It uses exaggeration as a rhetorical tool to highlight the inconsistency between what's marketed (free-to-play) and what's offered (paid early access). Your phrasing and comparison with post-purchase disappointments makes it sound like you already agree that the monetization model is unethical to some degree.

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ShamelessWhiteknight#7976 wrote:

Your phrasing and comparison with post-purchase disappointments makes it sound like you already agree that the monetization model is unethical to some degree.

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BigJoe1981#4119 wrote:

No you are making comparison to apples and oranges. The game is not finished and is not releasing for 6 months to a year.

Facts do not care about opinions as no matter your opinion the facts do not change.

GGG never said early access will be free to play. However, for a majority of people who have been supporting them over the years it will be. People who have over $480 in lifetime POE1 support got Early Access for no new purchase (Even though most still bought a new pack) which means a lot of people have extra keys and there are several posts where people who can not afford the early access are getting in at no cost to them.

Is GGG perfect no, but no body or company is. But do not sit there and make accusations that are false. In 6 months to a year when the game fully launches, if GGG does not release it free-to-play then I will come back to these forums and make a post myself about the bad practices of GGG and lying to the community, but until then I will continue to post the opposite.

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The shelter isn't ready and won't open for 6 months to a year. They never promised free shelter now, and whales, influencers and reviewers do get free access.

No organization is perfect. If the shelter isn't free when the paywall is removed, I'll criticize them. Until then, I'll defend them.