Feedback and Suggestions (Path of Exile 1) - The state of Beta Feedback - Forum

This is something i posted in another thread, but i feel is more suited to it's own. " I remember when i was really optimistic about GGG, and i wish i could have that feeling back, but so many decisions have been made that either MMOize (which isn't inherently a bad thing, but if i want to play an MMO i'm going to play an MMO, not a game that advertises itself as a hardcore ARPG), excessively casualize (again, not inherently a bad thing, but if i want to play a casual game, i will play one that is marketed as one), or flat out break parts of the game (golem rolls should have never made it past alpha, let alone beta, in their current state. Friendly fire burning, grace period exploitation, map seed memorization, boss HP rigging, bodyblocking[on a second note about bodyblocking, i think that stealing peoples items with frostwall is still better than this, because you actually have to spend sockets and mana to do it, you can't move while casting it, and you have to maintain it in a way that fully prevents people from getting to the item]). There is a trend among the majority of players in my friends list (including me) that i'm noticing. The more good feedback that gets 'ignored' (im not even talking about implementation, but in terms of responses. Back in may 2012, that 'comprehensive feedback' thread by moosifer would be swarming with GGG posts), the more the game gets mmoized (very little reward for long grinding. Having a very grindy game is not a bad thing, but the Grind:Reward ratio is WAY off), and the more that pointless 'accessibility' changes (Two starting points on skill tree, VERY heavy 'encouragement' towards specific builds on the tree) come along, the more cynical we get as a whole. It hasn't just deteriorated the quality of our posts either, it even deteriorates the quality of balance discussion in our party chats and whispers. Back when GGG seemed more active and interested, we woudl have all kinds of discussions about new mechanics, fixing mechanics, how to improve areas of the game, etc. Now, it all eventually degenerates into "X member of GGG should be fired because they have no idea what the hell they're doing" and "GGG isn't going to do anything anyway, so i'm not going to bother making a forum thread about it". It's probably not intentional, but GGG is actually discouraging the giving of feedback because it's almost always a complete waste of time, and it IS happening, because i see it all the time. I remember when people like me, KoTao and Hilbert would give well thought out ideas with multiple solutions, interesting ways to improve mechanics, etc.) Now, me and KoTao don't spend the time on it because it doesn't do anything, and Hilbert only focuses on glitches and exploits because they seem the most likely to get addressed by GGG. Lately however, he's actually been slowing down with that as well because even THEY aren't being addressed, let alone fixed (even a temporary solution like temporarily disabling heavy desync skills on enemies). How do you feel about the current state of the Beta Feedback forums? Last edited by Xendran#1127 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:01:29 PM This thread has been automatically archived. Replies are disabled.	Posted by Xendran#1127 on Apr 23, 2013, 9:59:48 PM Quote this Post
ya...kinda got that feeling to. I don't fully feel ignored but with the beta manifesto going up and one thread to cover all those issues I feel they are basically telling us "this is what we are working on, everything else we will be ignoring until done here." Also with the one thread covering all the issues no real discussion can develop on one topic so again it feels like they just put it there so we can share our ideas but they have little intention of doing anything with it. I keep hopes high, but at the same time they have withdrawn tremendously since CB. Finished 17th in Rampage - Peaked at 11th Finished 18th in Torment/Bloodline 1mo Race - peaked at 9th Null's Inclination Build 2.1.0 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1559063 Summon Skeleton 1.3 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1219856	Posted by Moosifer#0314 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:19:29 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" Xendran wrote: How do you feel about the current state of the Beta Feedback forums? How the hell should I know, man? The stuff that gets implemented this week has been worked on for weeks prior. Give them a break on the micro-transactions, everyone's gotta pay the bills. That's a team that was designed to do what they're doing. Everyone else is working on stuff, I'm sure. They don't come on here and tell us about the ideation stages of the possible fix they're considering for X problem because it might go through 6 major design changes before it makes it anywhere near implementation, and they don't need 234234 brilliant minds competing for Chris's attention. It takes A LOT to balance the stuff that they're balancing. And code it. And whatever the hell else it is that they do. You can't expect that things be fixed right away, that's why we're in beta. It would be nice to know everything that GGG considered major tasks to fix in the game right now, I'll give you that. I don't really have a clue whether or not our various conversations are even looked at, let alone considered, but just because they aren't posting in every thread doesn't mean the stuff doesn't get seen. I think that we, as givers of feedback, could do a little more too. There is an inordinate amount of sniping on this forum. People aren't even reading the entire OP in a thread before they hit the reply button, let alone the substantive conversation afterward. Please, people. Read the thread before post so you can CONTRIBUTE to the discussion rather than dragging it down. If you don't agree with something someone is saying, just say so leave, there's no reason to hit F5 if you dislike the topic at hand. Last edited by cannabination#5277 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:28:47 PM	Posted by cannabination#5277 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:22:42 PM Quote this Post
No one was saying anything about micro transactions. Its not even the lack of progress. Its the feeling of worthlessness for feedback. How many pages did moos's post get to befroe it got feedback saying "we are taking this on board". Yet we still don't know what they are doing about the actual thing, and we have no idea where things are going. There are tons of threads on the forums about these sorts of things, various 'issues' that come up again and again that clearly GGG aren't willing to side with one side or another. Thing is, if GGG said "Yes, we want exalted to be a useless orb that isn't worth using, because you only get one every 4 months of playing", then I would shut up about it, but without that feedback I just keep feeling that they neglected the fact that its way rarer than its value for being used on items. Thats just one thing I've been keeping track of. To be honest I barely play anymore, it just isn't fun to play, it feels bad, and thats a strange thing when I was so happy about OB before it launched	Posted by Real_Wolf#6784 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:25:54 PM Quote this Post
" cannabination wrote: just because they aren't posting in every thread doesn't mean the stuff doesn't get seen. That's not the point. First of all, they post on reddit constantly and answer things on reddit that have been posted here for VERY long (http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/30596/page/4). Secondly, it's in GGG's best interest to respond to threads. Why? Because if they need the feedback and want it on the forums like they claim, they HAVE to give players acknowledgement, otherwise they do what is currently happening: The quality of feedback quickly and heavily declines, eventually to the point of it disappearing. What you're left with after that is a cesspool of poorly thought out feedback, because the people who actually want to spend the time on well thought out constructive feedback feel like it's a waste of time. Thirdly, GGG claims it's easier for them if we post feedback here. Them posting on reddit more often encourages us to NOT post feedback here, but on reddit. GGG is literally making it harder for themselves, and they aren't saving any time either because they're still posting on reddit quite often. Take a bunch of that reddit time, throw it over into forum time (you know, since its YOUR forum.). Last edited by Xendran#1127 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:31:22 PM	Posted by Xendran#1127 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:29:49 PM Quote this Post
" Real_Wolf wrote: Its the feeling of worthlessness for feedback. How many pages did moos's post get to befroe it got feedback saying "we are taking this on board". Yet we still don't know what they are doing about the actual thing, and we have no idea where things are going. Well, tbh I had a few people tell me they PMed Chris and/or Qarl asking for a response to my thread. They might have felt pressure to respond. Finished 17th in Rampage - Peaked at 11th Finished 18th in Torment/Bloodline 1mo Race - peaked at 9th Null's Inclination Build 2.1.0 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1559063 Summon Skeleton 1.3 - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1219856	Posted by Moosifer#0314 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:30:27 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" Moosifer wrote: " Real_Wolf wrote: Its the feeling of worthlessness for feedback. How many pages did moos's post get to befroe it got feedback saying "we are taking this on board". Yet we still don't know what they are doing about the actual thing, and we have no idea where things are going. Well, tbh I had a few people tell me they PMed Chris and/or Qarl asking for a response to my thread. They might have felt pressure to respond. That's only if you count "We'll make a full response later" as a real response anyway.	Posted by Xendran#1127 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:31:56 PM Quote this Post
" Real_Wolf wrote: No one was saying anything about micro transactions. Its not even the lack of progress. Its the feeling of worthlessness for feedback. How many pages did moos's post get to befroe it got feedback saying "we are taking this on board". Yet we still don't know what they are doing about the actual thing, and we have no idea where things are going. There are tons of threads on the forums about these sorts of things, various 'issues' that come up again and again that clearly GGG aren't willing to side with one side or another. Thing is, if GGG said "Yes, we want exalted to be a useless orb that isn't worth using, because you only get one every 4 months of playing", then I would shut up about it, but without that feedback I just keep feeling that they neglected the fact that its way rarer than its value for being used on items. Thats just one thing I've been keeping track of. To be honest I barely play anymore, it just isn't fun to play, it feels bad, and thats a strange thing when I was so happy about OB before it launched I personally agree with you. I've always felt that by having one dude troll the feedback forum a company can prevent a ton of frothing at the mouth. The problem with the manifesto is that it addresses very few things, and things that many of us aren't even worried about. If there were just a tab more dialogue on here, everyone would be a lot happier.	Posted by cannabination#5277 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:34:19 PM Quote this Post
" Xendran wrote: " cannabination wrote: just because they aren't posting in every thread doesn't mean the stuff doesn't get seen. That's not the point. First of all, they post on reddit constantly and answer things on reddit that have been posted here for VERY long (http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/30596/page/4). Secondly, it's in GGG's best interest to respond to threads. Why? Because if they need the feedback and want it on the forums like they claim, they HAVE to give players acknowledgement, otherwise they do what is currently happening: The quality of feedback quickly and heavily declines, eventually to the point of it disappearing. What you're left with after that is a cesspool of poorly thought out feedback, because the people who actually want to spend the time on well thought out constructive feedback feel like it's a waste of time. Thirdly, GGG claims it's easier for them if we post feedback here. Them posting on reddit more often encourages us to NOT post feedback here, but on reddit. GGG is literally making it harder for themselves, and they aren't saving any time either because they're still posting on reddit quite often. Take a bunch of that reddit time, throw it over into forum time (you know, since its YOUR forum.). Woah there, big hoss. I'm on your side of that argument. I don't like screaming words into the darkness, not knowing if they're even heard any more than you do. I'm just saying this is Shrodinger's Forum, so to speak. Last edited by cannabination#5277 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:36:59 PM	Posted by cannabination#5277 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:35:47 PM Quote this Post
I know, i just wanted to take that specific part of the post to explain my reasoning behind being seemingly so demanding about getting responses to feedback. The thing is, GGG seems to believe that by just saying "trust us, we read all the feedback" is good enough. They think that just seeing the post is good enough to keep players happy, but that mindset is actually significantly damaging both their company's potential and the community.	Posted by Xendran#1127 on Apr 23, 2013, 10:39:17 PM Quote this Post