Please remove death penalty or make another server for that

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ArtCrusade wrote:

There's no death penalty if you stop dying.

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same as i_no denouncing others opinions with such comments
i read those comments as "i dont wanna play now i am gonna argue with people on the forum for the sake of arguing"

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Pizzarugi wrote:

"git gud" isn't something I consider a good way to counteract dying in this game. You might be able to get away with that in Souls games, because fights in those are hard, yet ultimately fair. In Path of Exile, literally anything that can happen at any moment and just instantly kill you, will happen. 1shots, offscreens, hazards being buried under a mountain of particle effects, rares rolling wombo-combo modifiers that melt your face off. The only way to well and truly account for all of these variables is to make a near-ZDPS tank that can eat uber Maven's memory puzzle explosion, and I doubt many people would find a lot of enjoyment doing that, nor would many be able to afford it.

wait until someone says "its your fault for rolling maps (juicing) that way
so basically blaming the player for using game mechanics xD
(literally had this as an argument over and over in the past years) which makes no sense. i mean if we want to play the game chris intended it to play so we lvl our characters for years then ok we might actually not roll our maps and run them white with no mods on them

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Wladicorist1 wrote:

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ArtCrusade wrote:

There's no death penalty if you stop dying.

literally your first comment is a troll post ...
same as i_no denouncing others opinions with such comments
i read those comments as "i dont wanna play now i am gonna argue with people on the forum for the sake of arguing"

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Pizzarugi wrote:

"git gud" isn't something I consider a good way to counteract dying in this game. You might be able to get away with that in Souls games, because fights in those are hard, yet ultimately fair. In Path of Exile, literally anything that can happen at any moment and just instantly kill you, will happen. 1shots, offscreens, hazards being buried under a mountain of particle effects, rares rolling wombo-combo modifiers that melt your face off. The only way to well and truly account for all of these variables is to make a near-ZDPS tank that can eat uber Maven's memory puzzle explosion, and I doubt many people would find a lot of enjoyment doing that, nor would many be able to afford it.

wait until someone says "its your fault for rolling maps (juicing) that way
so basically blaming the player for using game mechanics xD
(literally had this as an argument over and over in the past years) which makes no sense. i mean if we want to play the game chris intended it to play so we lvl our characters for years then ok we might actually not roll our maps and run them white with no mods on them

It LITERALLY is your fault for rolling that map.

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Wladicorist1 wrote:

literally your first comment is a troll post ...
same as i_no denouncing others opinions with such comments
i read those comments as "i dont wanna play now i am gonna argue with people on the forum for the sake of arguing"

This is cut and dry case of offence taken, not given. Certainly you're not helping OP's case by calling other people names and throwing wild accusations around. If you can't stay civil, consider not responding at all please

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Wladicorist1 wrote:

wait until someone says "its your fault for rolling maps (juicing) that way

From OP's post it doesn't sound like 100% delirium hyper-duper-wisp-juiced quadruple beyond maps are the offender as they have never even gotten to that point, so the fact that you have to use that as an argument to support your frail case is disingenious at best. Generally speaking you shouldn't have to rely on hyperbolic scenarios to make a case. OP has never defeated the Elder, never defeated Shaper, neither did he defeat Black Star, Infinite Hunger and so on. Clearly the issue lies on the road there, so none of that is relevant at all.

Regardless of that, rolling that super juiced map from your example is no one's fault but your own. You can see the mods before entering, you decide how much you want to juice it up, what sextants you roll, whether or not you run WP for extra map mod effect etc.

It literally is your fault for rolling that map.

Again, OP complains about the mapping experience way before that super endgame scenario. All this is tangential

If there were no penalty on death, everyone would go brainless on dmg like in other ARPG games and not worry about defense.

Thanks GGG that there is a game like Poe where you have to think deeply about your character.

Anyone who dies still has to learn... it's that simple.

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chrisbasaki wrote:

If there were no penalty on death, everyone would go brainless on dmg like in other ARPG games and not worry about defense.

Thanks GGG that there is a game like Poe where you have to think deeply about your character.

Anyone who dies still has to learn... it's that simple.

I think going brainless on dmg should be a choice, among choices. There should be a difficulty setting for casuals (like me) & another for people who want their game to be UBER all the time. We wouldn't be competing with each other, so what difference does it make?

We don't have that setting & it's fine; I'm still having tons of fun. There's just some parts of the endgame that I won't even try because they're too hard & the death penalty exists. Searing Exarch & Eater of Worlds is as far as I go, & even then I wait until I've just hit a level so the death penalty doesn't rape & pillage me.

I'm actually trying to play the game the right way, & I have followed along on every change to mana reservation, defense stacking & overcoming NPC mods. The game shouldn't be easy or simple. The appeal of POE is definitely having to meticulously min/max your character + the pace is an other-worldly drug. I just don't think you need the death penalty to make it worth doing all that. AN mods & now Wisps are enough of a gateway.

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There's no death penalty if you stop dying.

^ this, 10/10 solution for the "problem"

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chrisbasaki wrote:

If there were no penalty on death, everyone would go brainless on dmg like in other ARPG games and not worry about defense.

Thanks GGG that there is a game like Poe where you have to think deeply about your character.

Anyone who dies still has to learn... it's that simple.

Until such time as death literally just refills your HP/ES/mana/flasks and lets you keep going where you stand, it will not be the case that there is no penalty for death.

There are currently multiple penalties for death, of which losing experience is one.

what about an option like last epoch in the atlas tree? "your maps only have 1 portal, but if you die in them 100% xp loss is prevented", that way there will be a huge penalty to compesate for the xp loss removal,(i also hate xp loss just trying to ask for options that fit both visions in this post, the vision that xp lost should not exist, and the vision that there should be penalty for dying)


edit to make the comparisson more clear, in last epoch, if you die in a "Map" you lose the items from completion bonus in it

play a good build then? the death penalty should be way more severe, if anything. it should be possible to delevel if you die, and deaths should be at least 30% exp penalty, with a death debuff that reduces quantity and rarity until you kill enough monsters

I have 12 deaths at level 99, and almost all of the deaths happened when I wasn't freeze immune. it's not hard to not have 700 deaths if you know what you're doing

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auspexa wrote:

play a good build then? the death penalty should be way more severe, if anything. it should be possible to delevel if you die, and deaths should be at least 30% exp penalty, with a death debuff that reduces quantity and rarity until you kill enough monsters

I have 12 deaths at level 99, and almost all of the deaths happened when I wasn't freeze immune. it's not hard to not have 700 deaths if you know what you're doing

If that ever happened I'd just move on to a better game. The only reason I haven't moved on already is because POE is free to play. I'd pay a fee to lose the death penalty though, so GGG is losing money it could be generating. But then people would cry that POE was pay-to-win & they'd lose money anyway, I guess.