Experience loss driving some players away?

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mkmaddage wrote:

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e7ang wrote:

Why not just create a third league with no penalty at all? Really what's the harm in having multiple options on how to play. Options are good thing imo.

What's the harm? No harm to those who think an entertainment product should have no soul. Cost/resource considerations aside, there's theoretically 'no harm' in changing all the [insert own example here] zerg from SC2 to fluffy bunnies that ADD health instead of taking it away because some people find the creator's version too scary; the 'harm' I see is that the creator's original version is utterly shat on and their creative vision is diluted to weak watered down urine. When I go to watch a video of the game online I will see fluffy bunnies shitting rainbows and buffing their 'enemy' and have NO IDEA what the original intent of the designer was. I won't see the game as challenging or interesting and I'd wonder what group of dickheads decided to make a game, call it 'hardcore', and make it total faceroll.

The developers have been absolutely clear about their vision for a game where, for once, we don't play do-gooder heroes out to save the world - it's about being completely out for yourself in a very unfair world. All the systems in the game support this approach - the original FFA loot system (also poisoned by casual whiners so far), the bandit PVP event, etc. etc. and the experience loss system.
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In the end, I think GGG will be forced by their investors or whoever is actually keeping them afloat, to casualise the game some more so y'all may get your wish anyway. The way of the world is to expect something for little to no effort and without 'punishment' for mistakes. There are a MILLION games which do this for you - why make the few that try to be different, the same? Sad...

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Unimatrix wrote:

PoE is by design a "hardcore oriented" game. As pointless as that may sound (to some people, that is), it is what it is.

HC players already belittle default players (scrubcore etc.), if you take away that as well, it will probably be called baby-core or carebear mode or even worse.

This simply isn't a casual game, where you can just start and do whatever, while cradling your baby on one hand.

You need basic skill and you have to live with the fact, that while you can be creative with your skill build (and you actually should be!), you have to sort things out properly.

Not dying is a top priority, even in "scrubcore" (where I still play btw :P).

You don't like that? Then either live with losing XP or don't bother with this game.

Sounds harsh, but you can't compromise the whole premise of the game, to cater to everyone - imho.

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FerociousFeAr wrote:

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Unimatrix wrote:

PoE is by design a "hardcore oriented" game. As pointless as that may sound (to some people, that is), it is what it is.

HC players already belittle default players (scrubcore etc.), if you take away that as well, it will probably be called baby-core or carebear mode or even worse.

This simply isn't a casual game, where you can just start and do whatever, while cradling your baby on one hand.

You need basic skill and you have to live with the fact, that while you can be creative with your skill build (and you actually should be!), you have to sort things out properly.

Not dying is a top priority, even in "scrubcore" (where I still play btw :P).

You don't like that? Then either live with losing XP or don't bother with this game.

Sounds harsh, but you can't compromise the whole premise of the game, to cater to everyone - imho.

You know the mentality of HC players kind of makes me laugh. First off, when you die in HC you loss your equipped gear/character. Whoopie. If you play the game often that won't matter, you have tons of currency and you can buy your gear back when you enter maps. Not to mention it doesn't take 10 years to get back to lvl 60.

Skill tree plan for HC: Life nodes, some more life nodes and more life nodes. Oh and more life nodes.

Everyone parties, I'd say majority of HC is in some form of a party, making difficulty trivial, especially if you play incredibly careful which you should be doing in HC.

The fact that people even refer to default as scrubcore is laughable. HC shouldn't be named HC. Maybe change it to semihard-core.

Hardcore to me is permanent loss of everything you had. EVERYTHING.

Oh forgot to mention both leagues are playing the same content. lol?

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Failsociety wrote:

I am one for the Exp Penalty. I think more games should have this. Coming from 7 years of XI where you could delevel and doing end game meant a LOT of lost exp. Could you imagine if games like WoW had Exp loss and deleveling? Man I tell ya what, it would def. weed out shitty raid members real quick, because in most games raiding isn't hard at all. It's getting 10-20 idiots to listen.

Anyways, +1 to Exp loss, and yes, sometime I die and go wtf, but. Oh well, learn from your mistakes.


Edit: I'm also pretty sure you will be able to buy your own custom league at some point. So with that said, someone could make a Casualist League. x100% loot drops, No exp loss, free loot everytime you go to your Stash!