Please do not change existing alternate gems in Standard

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

i think standard players just need to emotionally disconnect from the game

In that case, so should league players because even the smallest changes mid league and they bitch and moan louder than std players have over the years.

PoE2 will take center stage and PoE1 will eventually be forgotten, it's asinine to keep doing insane changes arguably none asked for. Except Ultimatum > Metamorph, that was good.

I think 99% of standard players would be extremely positive of this change, if our legacy alternate gems were not deleted.

I think if the gems were left as legacy, like most other changes, no one would have any issues.

As it stands this change is going to alienate a large chunk of the standard playerbase and it seems like it could have been avoidable with some simple consideration for the time of the standard playerbase.

Never in the history of POE have we had so many items just get straight changed, in standard. I hope the alienation of standard players was worth whatever the dev team got in return for this trade.

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Jhiroth wrote:

I think 99% of standard players would be extremely positive of this change, if our legacy alternate gems were not deleted.

I think if the gems were left as legacy, like most other changes, no one would have any issues.

As it stands this change is going to alienate a large chunk of the standard playerbase and it seems like it could have been avoidable with some simple consideration for the time of the standard playerbase.

Never in the history of POE have we had so many items just get straight changed, in standard. I hope the alienation of standard players was worth whatever the dev team got in return for this trade.

Even tho I complained about it too and I'm still salty about the change, I do get why they just removed it. It would be a big mess to keep them in. Since gems are always subject to change, keeping up 2 sets of special gems would be a nightmare.

And to be fair, they develop the game first and foremost for the bigger part of the community, which are league players. So I do get them removing all alt gems in std.

That being said, I still probably going to take a break from the game, since there is nothing interesting coming into std and my build got heavily nerfed.

My greatest gripe with it is that they are adding gems into the worst content in game, LABS. Nobody wants to play that shit, its so bad that even if your build needs the damn helmet enchant you just dont wanna do it because you have to, not to mention on average go through it 500 times to get what you need. Which is fucking insane btw. Entire thing needs an overhaul and we dont have that afaik.

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swarls68 wrote:

Even tho I complained about it too and I'm still salty about the change, I do get why they just removed it. It would be a big mess to keep them in. Since gems are always subject to change, keeping up 2 sets of special gems would be a nightmare.

And to be fair, they develop the game first and foremost for the bigger part of the community, which are league players. So I do get them removing all alt gems in std.

That being said, I still probably going to take a break from the game, since there is nothing interesting coming into std and my build got heavily nerfed.

Idk about others, I never asked to literally preserve old gems, this is indeed impossible due to engine limitations. Instead there are at least 2 simpler solutions:

- convert every gem to functionally closest transfigured version. This is as simple as defining the rules of which gem goes where.

- add currency for every gem converted, at least pitiful 2 div, although some gems cost a lot more.

Both options won't detract much of GGG precious corpo time to implement. If they still won't to it, there is no ethical or technical excuse. Imagine receiving the letter like "Hello, we are happy to inform all NZD in your possession were transfigured to tissue paper, since it is your own fault for not diversifying your investments. Have a nice day!" :)

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Echothesis wrote:

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swarls68 wrote:

Even tho I complained about it too and I'm still salty about the change, I do get why they just removed it. It would be a big mess to keep them in. Since gems are always subject to change, keeping up 2 sets of special gems would be a nightmare.

And to be fair, they develop the game first and foremost for the bigger part of the community, which are league players. So I do get them removing all alt gems in std.

That being said, I still probably going to take a break from the game, since there is nothing interesting coming into std and my build got heavily nerfed.

Idk about others, I never asked to literally preserve old gems, this is indeed impossible due to engine limitations. Instead there are at least 2 simpler solutions:

- convert every gem to functionally closest transfigured version. This is as simple as defining the rules of which gem goes where.

- add currency for every gem converted, at least pitiful 2 div, although some gems cost a lot more.

Both options won't detract much of GGG precious corpo time to implement. If they still won't to it, there is no ethical or technical excuse. Imagine receiving the letter like "Hello, we are happy to inform all NZD in your possession were transfigured to tissue paper, since it is your own fault for not diversifying your investments. Have a nice day!" :)

The first solution you listed might come with some issues since they said on stream, that they won't be able to implement all 200ish they plan, but rather add what they can until release. Besides that, the new gems seem to be completely new versions of the skills rather then what the old alt gems did.

The second solution won't happen, they never compensated for anything that got nerfed in std. Also, at least for me and I think for many others as well, it's not so much about currency, but the fact, that this bricks their build. Sure, I would love to recoup some of my losses (my build has well over a mirror in alt gems), but honestly idc about the currency loss that much.

Yeah, probably going to cause a lot of issues for anyone who plays standard simply because many alternate quality gems are integral to builds functioning at all.

Yes, please reconsider. Don't delete the alternate quality gems in standard!

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swarls68 wrote:

The first solution you listed might come with some issues since they said on stream, that they won't be able to implement all 200ish they plan, but rather add what they can until release. Besides that, the new gems seem to be completely new versions of the skills rather then what the old alt gems did.

The second solution won't happen, they never compensated for anything that got nerfed in std. Also, at least for me and I think for many others as well, it's not so much about currency, but the fact, that this bricks their build. Sure, I would love to recoup some of my losses (my build has well over a mirror in alt gems), but honestly idc about the currency loss that much.

Current builds are non-salvageable anyway, regardless of conversion. For me, point was about compensating the robbing I never asked for, and such kind robbing is by the way unthinkable in any other game I know.

GGG never fix core balance issues like aurastacking being too mandatory or far too many defensive layers being mandatory at once, so you are either capped or dead. Or totems being unmatched in bossing, so bosses now balanced around totems.

Instead they randomly delete some builds, randomly buff some new builds. I chose standard to get as far away from this policy as possible, yet they now come to plain delete what I have :shrug:, forcing to rework a build without changing combat environment itself, e.g. just for the sake of change.

Also chose softcore, yet they now come to tell I am supposed to run the hardcore lab to get gems.

looks like its final guys...from the FAQ

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What happens to my Alternate Quality gems in Standard?
They are converted to regular Quality type, maintaining the same value.