Tota is easily best League mechanic of all time and it's not even close.

Tota and Sanctum in the same ecosystem made me start ssf. I cannot take trade league serious anymore...Sanctum is at least somewhat of an ok challenging league mechanic, but i would prefere that it's gone for good. To many degens with insane builds tunnel vision farming it rn and the rewards are to good at the top end.

Tota is shallow as a puddle imo and most peoples opinions are bought by insane rewards. If the rewards would be mediocre close to nobody would like the league mechanic. There is almost nothing good about it unless you are a diehard moba enjoyer and like a shallow moba version in your favorite game. This league mechanic is a fart compared to Expedition, Heist or Delve...

Just my personal opinion of course, both league mechanics way to rewarding and not that great...

(Apparently only the author of the post allowed to call people weird cause this first part got cut by support)
Ok, so I was going to write a full-fledged reply for this, but since this weirdo person didn't say a single word of any actual strategies, oneshot-bullshots and the fact that every single wall of text of mine gets discarded immediately, I will instead just simply say this:

AI goes AFK until you go near them. Opponents oneshot you across the entire map with their SiLveR cOmEtS. On the first match of the tournament the opponent team often outnumber and outclass yours by at least 3 team members.

Ancestor League is not fun.

Loot is awesome though.

Support, what's up with editing of my post and leaving this guy's insults up?

Either support haven't read the original or this is straight up some sponsored post

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Durf wrote:

For this to be the best league ever you really don't want to be playing an ARPG... this league mechanic is not ARPG. Why even bother when there are dedicated games for these mechanics out there. Basically play any moba and you'd pretty much have an even better time. What's next... POE Chess? 1st person shooter? *shrug* At least can we have experiences where all our gear and time spent into building our character actually make sense?

I love in-map League mechanics, but I don't mind something different like Tota and actually would welcome more experience like that and even crazier things.

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Ynexounemai wrote:

ToTa become the best league for those who cheesed it.

Cheesing has nothing to do with it. Not to mention that I didn't do it (yet).

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Strickl3r wrote:

Tota and Sanctum in the same ecosystem made me start ssf. I cannot take trade league serious anymore...Sanctum is at least somewhat of an ok challenging league mechanic, but i would prefere that it's gone for good. To many degens with insane builds tunnel vision farming it rn and the rewards are to good at the top end.

Tota is shallow as a puddle imo and most peoples opinions are bought by insane rewards. If the rewards would be mediocre close to nobody would like the league mechanic. There is almost nothing good about it unless you are a diehard moba enjoyer and like a shallow moba version in your favorite game. This league mechanic is a fart compared to Expedition, Heist or Delve...

Just my personal opinion of course, both league mechanics way to rewarding and not that great...

There is nothing good about Tota? Except whole bunch of things I mention?

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Durf wrote:

For this to be the best league ever you really don't want to be playing an ARPG... this league mechanic is not ARPG. Why even bother when there are dedicated games for these mechanics out there. Basically play any moba and you'd pretty much have an even better time. What's next... POE Chess? 1st person shooter? *shrug* At least can we have experiences where all our gear and time spent into building our character actually make sense?

I love in-map League mechanics, but I don't mind something different like Tota and actually would welcome more experience like that and even crazier things.

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Ynexounemai wrote:

ToTa become the best league for those who cheesed it.

Cheesing has nothing to do with it. Not to mention that I didn't do it (yet).

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Strickl3r wrote:

Tota and Sanctum in the same ecosystem made me start ssf. I cannot take trade league serious anymore...Sanctum is at least somewhat of an ok challenging league mechanic, but i would prefere that it's gone for good. To many degens with insane builds tunnel vision farming it rn and the rewards are to good at the top end.

Tota is shallow as a puddle imo and most peoples opinions are bought by insane rewards. If the rewards would be mediocre close to nobody would like the league mechanic. There is almost nothing good about it unless you are a diehard moba enjoyer and like a shallow moba version in your favorite game. This league mechanic is a fart compared to Expedition, Heist or Delve...

Just my personal opinion of course, both league mechanics way to rewarding and not that great...

There is nothing good about Tota? Except whole bunch of things I mention?

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

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SunL4D2 wrote:

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You continue confusing describing things objectively with your opinion, again.

Fun is subjective, doesn't matter what you think. For me it's garbage.

If you actually read what i said, i said everything is rewarding, if you do it long enough. Chances are if anyone does this league or whatever other a few hours a day maximum, you won't get "stacks of divs", not on Tota, not anywhere.

Again, lore depth is meaningless to the game play.

Again, atlas tree gives basically free mechanics that goes in conjunction with the current league, and i'm not even talking about the free increased effect of modifiers of maps, rarity and pack size that absolutely affects how the mechanics in maps are played, which are invalidated by when the mechanic is not in the map.

Being able to "live" in it is also quite a pointless argument when every map has the current league in it. So did, Legion, Blight, Sentinel, Delirium, Scourge, Expedition, Ultimatum, Ritual, etc.....

You didn't raise a single good point and simply is wrong about quite a few things, again.

I won't change your opinion and you won't change mine, those are the only facts. And unless you bring actual facts supported with data that are actually superior to other leagues, everything you say is simply rhetoric. Burden of proof buddy, that's your job, not mine, and "feeling" isn't it.

You continue being incorrect about pretty much everything you said. You even try to steal my line while making statements you've made (a lot of them factually incorrect). ._.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

I'm gonna drop this anyway Sunl4D2 primarily because I think its been a great league personally and even if I convinced you about the lack of depth in the chaos simulator all that'd be different is one player would enjoy the league less which isn't even a positive outcome.

I hope we see it in the future and they refine/improve it with a few more features and a little less cheese - I will say however I had the same hope for Sanctum and that didn't really pan out though its still good to have it back.

Sorry, I just can't let you fof the hook when your "Tota is not deep" position makes about as much sense as cholocate teapot. However I am glad you consider Tota great League and looking forward to it going core.

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Lyov4en wrote:

(Apparently only the author of the post allowed to call people weird cause this first part got cut by support)
Ok, so I was going to write a full-fledged reply for this, but since this weirdo person didn't say a single word of any actual strategies, oneshot-bullshots and the fact that every single wall of text of mine gets discarded immediately, I will instead just simply say this:

AI goes AFK until you go near them. Opponents oneshot you across the entire map with their SiLveR cOmEtS. On the first match of the tournament the opponent team often outnumber and outclass yours by at least 3 team members.

Ancestor League is not fun.

Loot is awesome though.

I feel like you and quite a few other people missed something important and gave up on League too quickly, because of that. I feel like you was trying to break the wall instead of opening the door that was right there.

1. Enemy team will always be stronger than yours (at least when it comes to t2-3 units), because you - the player is intelligent being and can easily beat AI. You are the most overpowered unit on the whole board.

2. You are not supposed to fight monsters the way you fight monsters in maps. The opposite - you are supposed to avoid combat. Totem is monster life bar, not actual life bar above them.

Same reason for Chieftains and other units dealing massive damage as you rank up.

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I really wonder now. Does GGG need to dumb mechanics down? Or be way more hand holdy? Similar story happens pretty much every League - people give up too early Or maybe good mechanic should require patience and learning it? What do you think?

P.S. Perhaps one should chill with personal insults / agressive attitude if support continue edits ones comments.

I have had limited time to play the first month. And this is my most played league mechanic to date. Just click and play, its casual friendly. Fun to play and occasionally very rewarding. :)

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SunL4D2 wrote:

You continue being incorrect about pretty much everything you said. You even try to steal my line while making statements you've made (a lot of them factually incorrect). ._.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

I won't change your opinion and you won't change mine, those are the only facts. And unless you bring actual facts supported with data that are actually superior to other leagues, everything you say is simply rhetoric. Burden of proof buddy, that's your job, not mine, and "feeling" isn't it.

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Durf wrote:

For this to be the best league ever you really don't want to be playing an ARPG... this league mechanic is not ARPG. Why even bother when there are dedicated games for these mechanics out there. Basically play any moba and you'd pretty much have an even better time. What's next... POE Chess? 1st person shooter? *shrug* At least can we have experiences where all our gear and time spent into building our character actually make sense?

The great thing about all the mechanics in PoE is that you can ignore the ones you don't like and can focus on the others you do.

I, for one love the variety and TotA has been a blast - something pretty different from the other modes of play. I can see how some might not like it, but, luckily, you can ignore it entirely if you hate it.

I for example, hate breach and abyss. I also hate epic bosses. And I don't care for legion either.

So I don't do them. Seems silly to spend your free time doing something you don't like, and pretty much everything in PoE is elective.

The game's a giant buffet. Eat what you like.

I think this is the most annoying mechanic I've seen since blight. I may not be a fan of ritual or metamorph, but I can say those fit into content. I like mechs that actually take place in maps and are not overly complicated. The glimpse I've gotten into the league mech when I went to give it a shot was a let down. Rewards were bad especially given time investment. The AI doesn't seem great either and any mechanic where you need to consult a cheat sheet or study a ton of videos is a bad design i.e. betrayal. I can understand looking up a mech to get the general hang of what you should be doing, but there shouldn't be a need to actually study a concept like Trials of the Ancestors in that much detail, very similar to the tower defense in blight. I came to play POE, not some other game in POE.

I wasn't a fan of harvest micromanage garden, but it was a one time setup. It's not something that's going to continuously take forever.

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Ynexounemai wrote:

ToTa become the best league for those who cheesed it.

OP is playing Herald of Agony...

Besides, it should be common sense that the people running cheese builds are the ones who clearly DON'T like the league. Because... they're cheesing it? Literally the opposite of gittin gud.

Still sane, exile?

it's not cheesing to play build that can do the mechanic well and if i didn't like it then i would not have spent 7~ days /played doing it