Hope the TOTA league mechanics never make it to the core
" This doesn't sound right, it shouldn't be happening if it isn't a skill issue. You shouldn't get hit often and on the other hand, well composed team will often win without player help - just had a final game vs Ikiaho, I died early/mid game at champion totem, but I was sure my team will win it from there so I just alt-tabed. Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed"
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"Im not trying to defend TotA here. Maybe it requires high level of skill for builds that cant take hits. "This does kind of read like not enough DPS to me. DPS builds can instagib things in TotA. See for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os9CzhZMGDo (Yes completely different build etc I know.) "Yes. "Personal experience suggests that this doesnt seem to happen if I play carefully. My DPS build is roughly zhp + 18% block on Staff, very slow and clunky to play. "If you want to be safe from that you need to backwards circle right in the beginning of the match. On my DPS build I have an "enemy sensor": which tells me where the mobs are while they are still offscreen. If you got SRS your SRS movements should be able to tell you. (And yes this is annoying.) And: Your char being near your totem is extra bad because if you get killed there the enemy likely has dominance there and may mess with your revival. "Well, the teams I make typically get obliterated by Ikiaho if unsupported... (Probably bad at team building.) No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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So I just did another tournament with my (bad) DPS build. Took ~20 minutes. Large part of that the last match. Enemy had Camouflaged whatever-their-name. And my totems just didnt want to kill them. And my units ignore them apparently. Not sure how this exactly works. I tried placing totems directly on top of them (bad with EoW) which seemed to help but not sure. And my DPS is falling off already at rank ~400. Realistically achievable single target damage currently is likely between 10M and 15M. If mob survival scales in linear fashion (no idea?) I would need >50M just to be able to play it at rank 2000.
No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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" They are invisible while not in combat, that means YOU have to hit them - not your totems. Any moveskill should do as long as you land a hit. This will reveal them for about 2-3 sec. Afterwards they will go invis again. So you have to do this over and over again until they die. " Whats the goal here? Killing the mobs at rank 2k? You certainly can. Some sustained 15-20M dps will do but I got to rank 2K on a shitty WoC ingite build with 2.5M dps by outplaying the mechanic. All I did was using the Polaric Devastation ring to apply "covered in Ash" and not even for the bonus dmg, but the slow effect. Then I cursed them as well and had the "hindered while cursed" mastery. That was it. 2 slow effects for CC and my team would do the rest. My win ratio at that points was roughly 50% - but I was still learning about team compositions. Later I was also running a poison SRS build with about 25M dps - which is fake because they never attack the same target unless there is nothing else to attack. So realisticly I had half of those 25M and thats me being generous. Its enough to kill things for sure but killing stuff in Tota is not the way. |
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"Just looked (superficially) at your build and compared with "Nomancs"s build. You likely have <50% of "Nomancs"s build single target DPS. Missing 3 gem levels and using melee splash support. Lvl 4+ Empower may be much better than the melee splash for TotA. "Ok, didnt know this. They were visible right next to my (ancestral) totems. But my (EoW) totems wouldnt target/hit them. "Comparing DPS build with TotA avoid/debuff build basically. "With cheap (from SSF POV) TotA build you can get ~100% win ratio at any rank. And I dont need to properly understand team optimization and such either. That is what I am comparing with. "But see the link I posted before - and there are other similar ones IIRC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os9CzhZMGDo This is much better than what I can achive with my (cheap incomplete) TotA build. Dont know how reliable it is and how much player skill required though. No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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" The showcased build deals 400M total dps or about 66M dps per totem... Is that really the benchmark you wanna go for in SSF? Just curious. With 400M dps you dont need to outplay anything because you will 1shot everything. Im not quite sure I understand the point you are trying to make tbh. |
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"It was a response to your "but killing stuff in Tota is not the way.". Meaning I see this more "openminded". The not-needing-to-outplay and 1shotting are the point of such builds. Whether its viable in SSF I dont know: So far I have not been able to come up with a good cheap SSF-viable DPS build for TotA. No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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" Well if you need to bring up a build dealing multiple hundred million dps you are not really proving my point wrong, you know that right? If you have to go to that extend, then it stand to reason that "killing stuff isnt the way". Which is also why you cant come up with a SSF build achieving just that. If we are playing the semantics game here, then fine, Ill conced and you win. If we are talking about reasonable builds most player could replicate - especially in SSF - then outplaying the mechanic instead of killing stuff is indeed the way to go. |
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" In that case the POBB I posted wasn't correct, cause I used Multistrike when in TOTA. Ofc it's possible the adaptations I did, to fit in void sphere and change from despair to temporal chains curse was poor choices. The idea was to slow them down more, and see if the void sphere stuff would help. It did ofc, but only so much. Everybody won't team up in the centre, or wherever I placed it, and it's auto-removed when I get one-shot. Changed from determination aura to grace too, plus a jade flask, and defiance banner. All to get up evasion. Maybe it helped, but it was hard to tell. Still got oneshot plenty, that's for sure. You'll just have to trust me that DPS isn't an issue. It's kinda pointless to go around trying to kill everything, they'll just respawn anyway, but sometimes I need to kill a turtle or a pesky chieftain, and that's fine enough. The issue is getting oneshot and utterly overrun in some matches. And well, just kinda hating the mechanic :D Should also be said that I do play on console, and targeting totems is a right pain at times. When I actually do that, for example at the end of matches when I want to win faster, or in a desperate measure to not lose cause our units aren't doing jacksh*t anywhere. It also takes much longer to place or change units between matches, so it's impossible to play as quickly as the PC crew does. But no matter, I'm not a super quick player anyway. The issue I have with the mechanic is that it's wildly unbalanced and that it's extremely frustrating to keep dying and not get to play the darn game. If the respawn timer was 5 seconds instead of 30, it would probably be much less aggravating. Edit: quickly looked at the link again, and it was in fact correct (except the info up top, which looks wrong, like evasion rating). But like I said in the post earlier, you need to select "TOTA setup" in the drop down boxes. I guess it defaults to the first selection inside PoB or something like that :shrug: Last edited by Pangaearocks#9280 on Oct 11, 2023, 9:38:35 PM
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"I dont know how much DPS is needed. Which is part of the issue here. It likely also strongly depends on how to deliver this DPS. As I worded it I am "openminded" about this. I dont have the knowledge/understanding to prove or disprove it. -- "Just looked at your char. Multistrike is likely much better for TOTA. But you are still the gem levels (and likely other things) short of 'Nomancs's build. "Own experience with DPS build attempts (including non-poison SRS) says otherwise. "Probably doesnt help... "This is an issue on PC also - see my thread here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3441096 No wonder it's lost, it's in the middle of the jungle!
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