Ben_ on why POE1 melee doesn't need POE2 animation to "save melee"
" My post got deleted in its entirety...thats surprising. It wasn't too bad except for the H-word...glad you quoted it first! I never said Melee can never be good. That is almost the opposite of what I said, even in the small part you quoted. Literally, in my post that you quoted I said dps numbers won't make the melee problem "good" and I stand by that; but then I followed that with the very next line: adjustments to the "feel" is what will fix melee. AKA: melee CAN be good if the FEEL is fixed. The problem overall is not a lack of dps but rather a lack of mechanically-sound play. Adjusting the part of the skill that ISN'T a problem does nothing to solve the problem. If I have a cut on my leg that's infected, putting a bandaid on my arm is not going to do anything. Pump all the dps you want into heavy strike/dual strike/double strike/sweep/cleave/etc., it won't change a thing. You're right, you stopped reading my post after the very first line of the paragraph...and coincidentally didn't quote the rest either, directly contradicting your entire response to me. That will certainly cause a "disconnect" Last edited by jsuslak313#7615 on Aug 7, 2023, 3:59:37 AM
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" So apparently I'm not allowed to quote or state your own words to point out that you seem to be implying that people asking for melee buffs like for example Ben_ just aren't good at the game. But when I quoted you the auto mod instantly auto deleted my first reply for "being antagonistic" ... Anyway suffice to say Ben and many other people including me, think a difference can be made. No need for name calling or snide (and somewhat hilarious) insinuations about player skill. Pandering to players who don't want consequences for their mistakes is a perfect description of what went fundamentally wrong with D3 and 4.
If they wanted mindless mobile game time waster gameplay they sure did make some perplexing choices and marketing statements for 6 fucking years. |
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" Boneshatter nerf by proxy? I think the support is a brilliant idea... For me it lets me Jugg it up with other strike skills and feel less bad about it. More of this GGG Pandering to players who don't want consequences for their mistakes is a perfect description of what went fundamentally wrong with D3 and 4. If they wanted mindless mobile game time waster gameplay they sure did make some perplexing choices and marketing statements for 6 fucking years. Last edited by alhazred70#2994 on Aug 7, 2023, 4:14:33 AM
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" I guess i will try it myself but losing Multistrike will feel horribly bad. In addition if the support doesnt come with the build in AoE from Boneshatter and no damage multiplier by itself I dont see it working outside of very specific cases. I wonder if they gonna remove the unwanted and by most people hated totem buffs and put those numerical damage buffs into the melee gems itself. Edit: If this is in line with the Vengeant Cascade philisophy that is now a nerfed down gem i dont see Boneshatter survive as a standalone gem. Last edited by zzang#1847 on Aug 7, 2023, 4:13:40 AM
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The auto mod is trigger happy right now! Be careful. I had a totally mild post in the announcements get totally deleted. DEFINITELY didn't breach any terms and I've said far worse without getting entire posts deleted. Usually just (totally deserving) lines get removed.
Last edited by jsuslak313#7615 on Aug 7, 2023, 4:17:17 AM
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" You should really try to read peoples posts and reply to that instead of picking one sentence, filling out the rest with strawmans and then responding to that. Nowhere in my post did I even mention ben or said he is bad at the game. Also, making a difference and making it good are two diffrent things that are VERY far apart. Increasing POE ninja numbers by 0,5% for a handful of skills would be a "difference". But would that make melee good as whole? Last edited by Baharoth15#0429 on Aug 7, 2023, 4:28:09 AM
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" you implied that anyone wanting melee buffs is isn't good (and Ben is one of those people) and that anyone that thinks buffs can make a difference isn't able to see reality correctly (and Ben is one of those people). Maybe you didn't realize you were coming across that way. But its there in your quote. Sometimes when you're addressing a specific statement you trim the parts you're not addressing. This is age old Internet etiquette. Not that it matters in this case as I quoted your whole post. Pandering to players who don't want consequences for their mistakes is a perfect description of what went fundamentally wrong with D3 and 4. If they wanted mindless mobile game time waster gameplay they sure did make some perplexing choices and marketing statements for 6 fucking years. Last edited by alhazred70#2994 on Aug 7, 2023, 4:36:18 AM
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There is no reason to aim for melee being meta or good as a whole.
All the supposed fixes went into PoE 2 multiple gem setups for single target and clear. Melee animations and probably lots of balancing around it. But as we know now its a separate game. So i take the leftovers if those are numerical damage buffs its already good enough for me because there isnt much more to be expected. |
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" the entire 1 min ben,s video clip is about damage numbers, 243 for cleave 600 for molten strike and according to him sth like 900 easily with available scaling wich cleave has none. what is a non antagonistic way of asking someone to either learn to listen or stop hallucinating things ? |
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" I think that's mostly you wanting to take it that way but whatever. My point is that the bitching about melee in this community will never cease. No matter what GGG does and therefor it will never be "good" in the communities eyes. Maybe in the eyes of a few players here and there but not in the eyes of the playerbase as a whole. The fact that people were and are bitching about it even during times where melee skills are at the top of the meta is prove of that. There will always be a bunch of "people" who want to make that leap slamming two handed heavy striker and fail horribly at it because they don't even know how to get stun immunity and then start bitching that melee is bad. And when you point them towards facts like some melee skills being top of the meta they'll just go with the usual "that's not really melee" bullshit. You can make it better, maybe even to a point where some people think it's good, but on a community wide scale it's not going to change anything. Last edited by Baharoth15#0429 on Aug 7, 2023, 4:44:33 AM
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