Apparently unpopular opinion...

First of all, if they want to force hardware upgrades they need to update the requirements. They do list of a gt650ti (Radeon 7850) and a 2.6 ghz processor as minimum requirements.

Second, this patch fails in almost every aspect. It introduced new lag to almost every rig, it had made memory leak worse, cpu and gpu loads have increased. It wasn't ready. Management should have stopped it. If stuff correctly this patch could have fixed so many things, instead they flung poop at their customers.

It isn't that people are skinflints here. The company just pushed out a patch that knocks out the recommended hardware ( a 1050, 16 g ram, and a 3.2 ghz processor). And ggg have done this time and time again.

If they planned on increasing system requirements then they need to communicate this ahead of time and clearly state what the game needs to actuslly run without catastrophic bugs, lag, and overheating issues. But instead they just drop a patch during a communications blackout.

Sus behavior.

Yeah...

PoE is a F2P game, so it (sadly) seems like people are demanding to be able to play it on less-than-average systems.

I've always said that it will be impossible for PoE to take serious steps into the modern age without taking more advantage of modern hardware, and that every bit of support they are developing to continue supporting "aged hardware" is holding the game back.

This is of course more nuanced than that, though, as the balance between taking PoE forward and losing players with a less-than-average system is a difficult balance. From a marketing perspective, it doesn't really do GGG much of a favor, if the user is able to "turn everything off". Videos, clips, screen shots of a stripped game don't really make a positive impression of the game.

GGG needs to have a focus on supporting aged hardware, to a certain degree. But the world IS moving forward, so is PoE. The close-to-idiotic line of "...But mom, it's a ten year old game" is of course as useless as it gets. The engine, API's and physics in today's PoE are absolutely not the same as 2013 PoE. Everyone knows that, that's why I shrug every time I hear those words.
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sevens67 wrote:
You are allowed an opinion on the subject as well as anyone else. I am not fan of live service games or applications for this reason. A non live service game is never going to make the equipment you purchased it with obsolete.
Do I think it should run on 10 year old system, well if it did yesterday yes, yes I do.



For the record Poe runs mediocre for me right now just periodic lag spikes which I can't be bothered to try to track down.


Just want to point out i still play the game on a 980Gtx with high settings.
This card was released in 2014. So i am nearing those 10 years.

If you are asking for a mediocre card to be viable after 8 or 10 years. You are not being reasonable. Sorry. Even if the game was years behind, a med card would still fall behind.
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
Half of what you wrote is "i don't wanna say that", just to say exactly that later, in a twist of words.


No, I was clarifying that since everyone is having an issue, i'm not advocating anyone panic that their gear is out of date and needs to update right now because of new or worse conditions. I was also saying that people shouldn't expect to never have to update either and saying the blanket statement "I shouldn't have to update my gear to play the game" is a concept that will only hold developers back from ensuring that the game meets their own expectations.

Ultimately, I'm saying that anyone in the extremes are wrong, but I'm not trying to tell those extremes to entirely change their opinion either, just realize that there is an intermediate area that both extremes are missing that needs to be understood before we start the pearl clutching.


You clearly didn't watched the video i sent you. If you did there's a high chance you would cease your "rodeo". By rodeo I mean, it's not a situation of extremes friend.

There's no extremes, because there's no intercession between the positions. Your attempt to make one is but a attempt to say nothing, while writing a huge text. Textbook definition of non-sense. There's no situation where the game pushes a paywall to the playerbase all of sudden (wasn't there a week ago), and that's not forcing people to buy a new expensive machine, if they wanna keep playing. Many of this people, can be seen as paying customers. People that supported the game days before the update are around. Not my case but, I have supported this league recently. I'm a fairly new player. If they wanted to do that, at least should disclaim the incompetence, under the expense of their immediate profit. I mean immediate, because even without announce they're are already getting a hit. I know many people that are leaving. It's but weird, concealed, dishonest and delayed self-sabotage.

And support this, is not smart to players too. Unless you have a preference to SSF and empty leagues.

Makes sense in a way, I shaw give you this. "I don't wanna say that" and proceed to say nothing.
You can frame as you want. But the end of what you say is as clear as your attempt to confuse. No one (but you) that reads that, is buying that zigzag.

The game lacks optimization. What could hold developers back ain't the hardware of their player base, but their competence.
And this can hold, any game back.
If you think a little about it, and maybe watch the video, you will see.
There's many ways to a gaming company improve their product. That's not one. By no means.
Last edited by fenixsemcinzas#6254 on Jul 28, 2023, 12:07:51 PM
Nobody has any idea what you're talking about, Fenix.

That said, I'm real damn sick of hearing "GRINDING GEAR'S OPTIMIZATION IS SHIT!" No it isn't. The game is a heavy load sometimes, especially when you juice your content to the moon and 10x the amount of shit the game has to keep track of. When gigajuicers try run the game to its limits on shit hardware, problems occur.

But seriously. Players have been screaming "YOUR OPTIMIZATION IS SHIT!" at Grinding Gear for over a decade. I guarantee you they've looked into it, and the game is about as well optimized as it currently, reasonably, can be. Was this latest patch a biff? Yes. Oh well. Go play Diablo for another week or two while they fix it. Ranting like a harpy with herpes on the forums about the Evil Nefarious Plans of the Evil Nefarious Corpo Demons is pointless. They just scfrewed up. Mistakes happen. Do like Elsa and Let It Go, Let It Gooo~
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1453R wrote:
Nobody has any idea what you're talking about, Fenix.

That said, I'm real damn sick of hearing "GRINDING GEAR'S OPTIMIZATION IS SHIT!" No it isn't. The game is a heavy load sometimes, especially when you juice your content to the moon and 10x the amount of shit the game has to keep track of. When gigajuicers try run the game to its limits on shit hardware, problems occur.

But seriously. Players have been screaming "YOUR OPTIMIZATION IS SHIT!" at Grinding Gear for over a decade. I guarantee you they've looked into it, and the game is about as well optimized as it currently, reasonably, can be. Was this latest patch a biff? Yes. Oh well. Go play Diablo for another week or two while they fix it. Ranting like a harpy with herpes on the forums about the Evil Nefarious Plans of the Evil Nefarious Corpo Demons is pointless. They just scfrewed up. Mistakes happen. Do like Elsa and Let It Go, Let It Gooo~


It is. Clearly, it's not just me you can't understand, you seen to the blind to many. Probably because they're are not repeating what you already has stuck in your head to be the right thing. You can see in this same post, people listing the discrepance between all the other games they have in their PC. Including diablo 4 (maybe not even listening to yourself you do).
Games of more demanding graphics and art even. And how PoE works way worse, than all. Therefore, optimization of PoE, is bad. There's comparison. Do you know what that means, at least?
The "juiced map" speech, it's simply, a made up thing you did in your head. Prove? The long list of support thickets stating otherwise for a long time already.
Specially this patch. And that clearly, not even your type of people manages to deny. This says something.
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
Including diablo 4


I'm sure PoE would run smooth as silk if the gameplay was as slow as D4, and it had as little mob density. On TOP of that, D4 has probably 1/100 of the amount of calculations PoE has to do millions of versus each pack of monsters.
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Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Jul 28, 2023, 12:59:52 PM
Jeezus moosefucking halitosis mancrab murdercripes, shit or get off the pot.

Is this patch a dealbreaker for you? Is it going to be the thing that makes you quit PoE? Okay - good-bye then. Sorry for the issues, and see ye never.

Is this patch not a dealbreakler for you? Are you willing to wait it out and let Grinding Gear fix their biff? THEN STOP FREAKING OUT ABOUT THE GORRAM THING.

Are you going to continue screaming and screaming and screaming and screaming about Optimization(!!!) for the next ten years? Nobody cares. Second Unpopular Opinion for the thread - people's expectations need improved optimization, not the game. The fact that people continue to believe to this day that Grinding Gear has done nothing to optimize the game - despite Chris Wilson himself explicitly stating otherwise - without ever once asking themselves if there could possibly be another reason the game runs like shit on their tater tot is just increasingly incredible.
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Phrazz wrote:
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fenixsemcinzas wrote:
Including diablo 4


I'm sure PoE would run smooth as silk if the gameplay was as slow as D4, and it has as little mob density. On TOP of that, D4 has probably 1/100 of the amount of calculations PoE has to do millions of versus each pack of monsters.


I suspect a lot of people have the problem of running 2 engines at the same time. Surely a bug that will get fixed. A lot of people have worse CPU issues than before.
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Thesuffering wrote:

I suspect a lot of people have the problem of running 2 engines at the same time. Surely a bug that will get fixed. A lot of people have worse CPU issues than before.


Yeah, I was talking in more general terms, replying to the other guy above. We ALL KNOW this patch is fucked - and will get fixed, or at least improved.
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