Apparently unpopular opinion...

Apparently, this is an unpopular opinion, so I'm putting this upfront for clarity:
I am not advocating that anyone upgrade their system or purchase a new one, and anyone telling you to do so when almost everyone is having connectivity issues and lag spikes is absolutely in the wrong.

HOWEVER, I will say that anyone stating that they shouldn't be required to upgrade their system to continue to play a live, online, regularly updated, and regularly patched game is also absolutely wrong as well.

Technology moves fast, and we can't always afford the top of the line gear, especially when there's a shiny, new, "better", version out every quarter, but the fact is that in the last 20 or so years, there's been such a vast improvement in technology that playing on a potato from 2001 and expecting developers and publishers to support that technology for the life of their product is simply not feasible.

Developers and artists have a vision for their game and have every right to continually improve their engines and games in a way that utilizes newer technology while also removing obsolete technologies from their supported minimums. This is obviously a balancing act, but you should expect that at some point, your potato just isn't going to cut it anymore. If your ability to play on a potato hinders the ability of the devs to achieve their vision (and a reasonable amount of time has passed since the introduction of technology that can support it), then you can absolutely bet that potato is getting ignored. So, yeah...sometimes you have to upgrade your computer to keep up with games you wish to play.

Again, I'm not advocating people run out and upgrade right now, for sure you can expect that if a bunch of people are having issues then you probably dont have to go buy the best new shiny on the shelf....BUT....if you have a HDD, or a CPU or RAM bottle neck, or an ATI Rage Fury MAXX, you can probably go ahead and stop being a miser or expect obsolescence to the point of unplayability.

For those who need this instruction...don't buy bottom of the bargain bin if you can help it when you're upgrading; it will save you money in the long run buying as top of the line as you can get, and buying parts piecemeal since you wont have to replace them as regularly, but definitely expect to have to replace things eventually...unfortunately, that's just the way it goes with technology, you adjust and move forward, or you get left behind.

You are allowed an opinion on the subject as well as anyone else. I am not fan of live service games or applications for this reason. A non live service game is never going to make the equipment you purchased it with obsolete.
Do I think it should run on 10 year old system, well if it did yesterday yes, yes I do.



For the record Poe runs mediocre for me right now just periodic lag spikes which I can't be bothered to try to track down.

Half of what you wrote is "i don't wanna say that", just to say exactly that later, in a twist of words.
Jesus, twitter won't find you here. Rest assured.
So the developers must choose between make their art unavailable to many of their 'paying customers' and, i don't know, hot fixes?
The end goal of this recent patch was clearly improve performance. Failed miserably. That's art?
I may not be playing PoE in a potato. But now I'm afraid to end up playing in a banana sticked on a wall with adesive tape in the middle of an modern art festival. May I update my PC to that?
I actually play PoE on a decent machine, you know. As most of the people having issues.
A video game it's not a canvas or a movie. It's interactive art and the latter is essential for it's sucess and quality. A video game of good quality, don't ran such exclusive updates, knowing the results. Is just not smart.
People naturally improve their machines overtime. They have some sort of expiring date even. So video games not being able to improve along, is not a fear. The issue is improve ahead. What has being a trend in the gaming industry recently.
Here a good video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPz1CVtx5M&t=507s

It's more about the outlierness of it than a principle.

Elden Ring? Works great.
Cyberpunk? Perfect.
Dota2? Buttersmooth.
D4? Zero issues.
Lost Ark? Wonderful performance.
Post-patch PoE? Man, I better stop using quicksilver flask because running fast on a map causes insane lag spikes....

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Xyel wrote:

It's more about the outlierness of it than a principle.

Elden Ring? Works great.
Cyberpunk? Perfect.
Dota2? Buttersmooth.
D4? Zero issues.
Lost Ark? Wonderful performance.
Post-patch PoE? Man, I better stop using quicksilver flask because running fast on a map causes insane lag spikes....

No issues.
poe2 is coming so expect a few bumbs as they upgrade the render engine even for poe.

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skjutengris wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

It's more about the outlierness of it than a principle.

Elden Ring? Works great.
Cyberpunk? Perfect.
Dota2? Buttersmooth.
D4? Zero issues.
Lost Ark? Wonderful performance.
Post-patch PoE? Man, I better stop using quicksilver flask because running fast on a map causes insane lag spikes....

No issues.
poe2 is coming so expect a few bumbs as they upgrade the render engine even for poe.

I do expect them to fix it. Also, just because some people have no issues doesn't mean that others don't - the tech support forum went from 1-3 post per day to 20 posts per day for a reason.

I think that represents an unintended problem not a moving of specifications though, many of these posts seem to indicate that players believe this was a full shift and it probably isn't - just lots of bugs.

Its very unlikely they will knowingly push a patch that halves performance on high spec systems for example, if they were raising the baseline it would barely effect them.

Basically guys I wouldn't get the pitchforks out until a few more hotfixes many of the most egregious issues could be fixed in the next couple of updates then it'll be time to discuss if its OK for them to change the required specs.

Also OP it really isn't an unpopular opinion, changing hardware requirements are a staple and whether people accept it or not it will continue - hence why many go with it. PoE has already had some of the slowest creep on technical requirements for a game of its age that is updated as much as it is.

I had to get an entirely new computer not that long ago, This game's performance has gone down significantly in recent years presumably to sell bigger and better MTX.

They removed the widescreen support which itself zoomed the camera in more than a lot of people were used to, This in turn increased the resolution of what is being rendered and took even more system resources.

This game used to run on nothing with the occasional memory leak.

Edit: flipside i LOVE the graphical improvements when im not eating the ground because of them or my rituals aren't going invisible :P

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fenixsemcinzas wrote:

Half of what you wrote is "i don't wanna say that", just to say exactly that later, in a twist of words.

No, I was clarifying that since everyone is having an issue, i'm not advocating anyone panic that their gear is out of date and needs to update right now because of new or worse conditions. I was also saying that people shouldn't expect to never have to update either and saying the blanket statement "I shouldn't have to update my gear to play the game" is a concept that will only hold developers back from ensuring that the game meets their own expectations.

Ultimately, I'm saying that anyone in the extremes are wrong, but I'm not trying to tell those extremes to entirely change their opinion either, just realize that there is an intermediate area that both extremes are missing that needs to be understood before we start the pearl clutching.

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Xyel wrote:

I do expect them to fix it. Also, just because some people have no issues doesn't mean that others don't - the tech support forum went from 1-3 post per day to 20 posts per day for a reason.

Precisely this. I hadn't posted on these forums until about an hour ago because of these very performance issues.