My recap of PoE vs D4 and why even still PoE is unmatched

I don't know why so many people get so hung up on left and right mouse problems.

For the love of Dog, put your lesser used skills on the mouse then.

It's an easy problem to solve.

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Raycheetah wrote:

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Ok. After D4 crushes PoE in revenue, will it still not be a metric for being "unmatched" because PoE fanboys still scream it's not valid or what?

It's a different game in the same genre. There's PoE if you want to play PoE and then there's other games if you want a different experience. For the love of god, stop bitching other games aren't PoE.

Do you also believe that a small, family-run donut shop is unsuccessful because Tim Horton's exists?

PoE doesn't need the same kind of financial success that D4 does. It works within its own business model. Blizzivision is a massively-capitalized corporation which will inevitably make Big Bank selling D4. PoE has been doing fine within a more niche market for over a decade.

Both games are successful. Got it? =^[.]^=

And what has any that you've said anything do with what i've said? I'm criticizing OP when he's saying PoE being "unmatched" by comparing things that are not equal and how anything that D4 does better is an invalid metric of comparison in yet another pointless thread from a nobody.

People should just play what they like and shut up about other games that are "inferior" because it's not the game they are playing.

And FYI, this applies to any game. Spreading confirmation bias in the game you're playing and trashing another is just pathetic.

Diablo 4 is basically diablo 3 but with better graphics all you do in diablo 4 is spam the same dungeon and kill the world boss when it spawns thats it thats what people gonna be doing on all 5 classes they will be playing i give it a few months before people get bored the fuck out of it and come back to PoE people gonna play Diablo 4 when they get bored of new PoE league but not a single person will permanently quit PoE to move to diablo 4 that aint happening i refuse to believe people would permanmently quit PoE with ridicilous ammount of endgame and move to diablo 4 just so they could do 1029309129301901 times the same dungeon

Thing that i like in D4 VS PoE:
1. Better grafical looks (not much imho, but simply looks more modern), but we have seen almost the same in PoE 2 trailers.
2. A bit far view and again we've seen almost the same in PoE 2 trailers.
3. Open world - it's something new for me in arpg and it's quite impressive and it feels "alive" on world bosses and etc.
4. NO ONE SHOOTS !!!!!!! - main advantage VS PoE, PURE JOY of control and understading that i'm not in instant-death casion. Each second in D4 i breath freely with understanding that i won't die in 1 second, i always can do something. Just WOW!
5. You can skip compain on rest chars exept 1st.

And that's all. PoE better in all ways exept this for me. Absolutly outstanding game and D4 can not compare in current it state. D4 boring, almost out of combat, paragon lol, so lack of everything for now: aspects, gems, how we can upgrade stuff.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

And what has any that you've said anything do with what i've said? I'm criticizing OP when he's saying PoE being "unmatched" by comparing things that are not equal and how anything that D4 does better is an invalid metric of comparison in yet another pointless thread from a nobody.

People should just play what they like and shut up about other games that are "inferior" because it's not the game they are playing.

And FYI, this applies to any game. Spreading confirmation bias in the game you're playing and trashing another is just pathetic.

My error. I misread your post. I'll let what I said stand, because there are certainly a few folks around here to whom it can accurately apply. =^[.]^=

D4's major issue is item progression. It is so boring once you get you get decent items endgame.

Diablo 4 is early game itemization probly will change at future when " rune system and sets get into "

btw game have rly good smothness and better optimization

Poe 2 graphics looks nice but when u cant make optimization graphics means nothing
look at poe 1 even u playing low setting to much fps spikes

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

And what has any that you've said anything do with what i've said? I'm criticizing OP when he's saying PoE being "unmatched" by comparing things that are not equal and how anything that D4 does better is an invalid metric of comparison in yet another pointless thread from a nobody.

Well, personally I would say that no matter how much of a success Diablo 4 is, PoE is still unmatched in the ARPG genre - on a lot of factors. The same as Diablo 4 will probably also be unmatched for God knows how long on certain other factors.

But you're right; people just need to find the factors that are most important to them and play. And that's why certain things "Diablo 4 does better, is an invalid metric" for ME - because MMO elements, bosses gated behind party play and global scaling might be something other people view as "good", but I view some of those things as gamebreakingly terrible.

We are all different, and want different things from the games we play. The things I value in PoE, that have kept me playing for 10+ years? Diablo 4 doesn't do any of those things better - in my eyes.

And by the way: We are all a "nobody" here. I don't really know why you felt the need to devalue someone's opinion like that.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

And what has any that you've said anything do with what i've said? I'm criticizing OP when he's saying PoE being "unmatched" by comparing things that are not equal and how anything that D4 does better is an invalid metric of comparison in yet another pointless thread from a nobody.

People should just play what they like and shut up about other games that are "inferior" because it's not the game they are playing.

And FYI, this applies to any game. Spreading confirmation bias in the game you're playing and trashing another is just pathetic.

There's no confirmation bias here. I payed money for Diablo hoping it will be really good. I also didn't "trash" it. Thing is it's just not that good as whole package, to my disappointment.
PoE is outdated in many areas but it's still neck and shoulders above Diablo and it doesn't take you more than few days to realize that.
Decade of development does that. GGG as small as they are compared to Blizz are the trailblazer in arpg genre everyone is learning from. I expected and hoped we will get more with D4 but it is what it is.

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kekoyaso wrote:

Diablo 4 is early game itemization probly will change at future when " rune system and sets get into "

btw game have rly good smothness and better optimization

Poe 2 graphics looks nice but when u cant make optimization graphics means nothing
look at poe 1 even u playing low setting to much fps spikes

You have to understand that for PoE to be what it is there's prob who knows how many times more calculations going on than in D4 every second you click your skill button.
Expect for PoE2 to be much smoother than PoE1 as it will most likely be slower game.

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Phrazz wrote:

And by the way: We are all a "nobody" here. I don't really know why you felt the need to devalue someone's opinion like that.

Personally, I'm tired of biased threads of another game and how you should not play it because it's not PoE. GGG should just make a D4 section if every fart it lets out, PoE players are gonna smell it and tell other PoE players if it smells or not.

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

There's no confirmation bias here. I payed money for Diablo hoping it will be really good. I also didn't "trash" it. Thing is it's just not that good as whole package, to my disappointment.
PoE is outdated in many areas but it's still neck and shoulders above Diablo and it doesn't take you more than few days to realize that.
Decade of development does that. GGG as small as they are compared to Blizz are the trailblazer in arpg genre everyone is learning from. I expected and hoped we will get more with D4 but it is what it is.

Let me reiterate where your bias is:
Cooldowns are good for combat, it creates a depth that counters mindless button mashing, yet you think they are boring. That's exactly what PoE is, mindless, you pick one skill you spam it solely in your maps and combat is dumbed down into "can you kill it or not", strategy is completely abscent. Headhunter is the epitome of that. AN is that mindset incarnate.

Mob density is tuned to cooldowns and are what creates strategy. Can't have strategy if you have a screen of monsters.

Melee, again, strategy. You can't stand still and tank everything like a mindless beast. Having leech (from what i've saw they don't have, yet) is the main thing that makes you play mindlessly, and that's what PoE is, combat is secondary, what loot you get is first and foremost.

PoE endgame may have "variety", but players constantly complain about leagues that are not dumbed down or that are not streamlined inside the map (Harvest, Synthesis, Sanctum, Kalandra).

D4 is trying to go into MMO route. That has it's own pros and cons, but trying to suggest that is solely a bad thing is absolute bias.

And just as a background, i've played Tera, Neverwinter, Tibia, PoE, Grim Dawn, Terraria, all to a high endgame degree, and in my experience, ARPGs are completely devoid of strategy when you get to endgame, while MMOs and other cooldown based games are even harder into strategy at the endgame, even with the best gear, and all that with a greater support to interaction with other players and with the community than ARPGs will ever have.

To which i'll say it again, D4 isn't trying to be PoE, but it's own thing beyond ARPG and factoring other flavors of genre. If you think that's bad, sure, but trying to tell people that having cooldowns is "factually" game breaking... It just makes me not take you seriously at all.